Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

[XYZpdq Jr.]

I think that's the official justification. He probably felt something in that punch that scared him deeply.

I like to think that it's part of how Q is clearly not as omnipotent as he claims. Once somebody is outside of basic spacetime Q can't read them the same as a normal entity, and he's never really developed any brawling skill because he leans on his Q powers to read what's happening and react that way.
Like how he clearly shits himself when Guinan does some manner of Space Kung Fu stance at him, and we know from later stuff that Guinan is _ALSO_ somewhat beyond normal spacetime.

 

[OrionBalls]

It doesn't help that it was a badly paced episode in general. Too many sub-plots crowding out the main story.

The two-pip Kim betrayal arc was poorly signalled. They had a couple of shots of him looking grumpy about how things were, but they never really developed it enough to justify his sudden decision to kidnap all the Kims. They should have given a scene of him convincing at least one of them to work with him to explain the way some of them seemed to cooperate on the ship.

It was clear, to me at least, that they wanted to imply that parts of the multiverse were chronologically different from the part "we" know, which is how we get Lilly Sloan, T'Pol, and Curzon around at the same time. A single line of dialogue could have fixed that one. The script may well have had that line, only for it to be cut to allow more time for the bashir/garak shipping.

They should have had Curzon be Odo with Curzon's personality mingled in from that one DS9 episode. If we're going to do memberberries, then we really need to lean into it, instead of just referencing Voyager again.

The worst crime is that whoever wrote Garak had absolutely no idea what they were doing. Plain, Simple Garak should be far more obsequious and scheming.

It was definitely the weakest episode they've had, but in general, I really do enjoy TLD. The fact that the entire show kind of comes from a single episode of TNG is fun. All of the characters have strengths and weaknesses, and everything doesn't fall on a single person, like Voyager and Discovery. (I haven't seen all of the way through Picard.) I also legitimately liked Prodigy. The first season was a really well done story. The second season got a bit muddled, but I think it's been cancelled now, anyway.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

If the powers the Q and Organians use are "magic" -- seems so -- then a species doesn't have to develop hyper-advanced tech before becoming incorporeal "pure energy" being. A species could jump straight from being hunter-gatherers to being like Organians or Q, instead of the implied usual way of progressing through civilization before changes.

 

[Curzon Dax-sama]

They should have had Curzon be Odo with Curzon's personality mingled in from that one DS9 episode

Wouldn't have worked in the way they set Curzon up, unfortunately. Personally, I am glad they didn't do that, because modern day writers suck too much to obey the rule of cool.

 

[Miller]

Wesley was allowed to be on the bridge long before he became an officer.

Come to think of it, you know who else was allowed to be on the bridge despite not being an officer?
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Battle Bridge > main bridge

 

[Space Police]

Battle Bridge > main bridge

The main bridge is the best, but battle bridges are just so cool. The Minerva and the Millennium from Gundam SEED both have them, and they're very cool. The captain having a place where he can sit in the shadows is a great aesthetic.

 

[William Murderface]

I think that's the official justification. He probably felt something in that punch that scared him deeply.

Or he just didn't like Sisko and didn't want bothered after all. He liked Janeway and when it came to Picard, as Q put it, "even gods have favorites".* I never took it as Sisko scaring Q or being that powerful, although Q may have been surprised Sisko just went to fisticuffs and not pontificate as Picard would do, or maybe that part was an act too. Although I do wish there had been far fewer guest appearances of characters from various series showing up on another show. It make the ST universe feel small.

*As horrid as the Picard series ended up being, John de Lancie is always a treat and that last scene with Q telling Picard he was dying was a wonderful send off for the character.

 

[UnKillFill]

Or he just didn't like Sisko and didn't want bothered after all. He liked Janeway and when it came to Picard, as Q put it, "even gods have favorites".* I never took it as Sisko scaring Q or being that powerful, although Q may have been surprised Sisko just went to fisticuffs and not pontificate as Picard would do, or maybe that part was an act too.

It could just be he doesn't like darkies.

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

Or he just didn't like Sisko and didn't want bothered after all. He liked Janeway and when it came to Picard, as Q put it, "even gods have favorites".* I never took it as Sisko scaring Q or being that powerful, although Q may have been surprised Sisko just went to fisticuffs and not pontificate as Picard would do, or maybe that part was an act too.

Q didn't like Sisko because he reacted exactly how you'd expect a man to react. It wasn't interesting to Q because Sisko was direct and unabashedly savage. It was less a fear thing, I agree, and more a "I can't fuck with Sisko because he won't play along" thing.

 

[Expenses2999]

I'm still not over how they ruined Q in Picard S2. Shame on Patrick Stewart for that egomaniacal stain on the franchise.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

I'm still not over how they ruined Q in Picard S2. Shame on Patrick Stewart for that egomaniacal stain on the franchise.

It's crazy how Picard isn't even a vanity project for Patrick Stewart really. You'd think it'd be a show like Inner Light or some excuse to be in Medieval England where visual effects are minimal, but instead it's a weird show about androids and border control and other bullshit before the producers took it out of his hands for TNG memberberries.

 

[UnKillFill]

It's crazy how Picard isn't even a vanity project for Patrick Stewart really. You'd think it'd be a show like Inner Light or some excuse to be in Medieval England where visual effects are minimal, but instead it's a weird show about androids and border control and other bullshit before the producers took it out of his hands for TNG memberberries.

Hypothetically speaking, if Picard had started with season 3 as the first, and then got 2 more seasons that built on that (without ANY of the bullshit from the first 2 seasons we actually got) Do you think it could have been good?

 

[Cnut]

Hypothetically speaking, if Picard had started with season 3 as the first, and then got 2 more seasons that built on that (without ANY of the bullshit from the first 2 seasons we actually got) Do you think it could have been good?

Picard s3 had some serious shit and I don't mean when it hits 88mph. The changelings are done completely and utterly wrong to the point where the story doesn't make a lick of sense, why isn't Worf a badass on Quonos, the Borg Queen again? Jack's stupid ass Red Door mystery box taking forever (spoiler it's Borg), Marina Sirtis playing herself and not Troi, why the fuck is Seven of Nine here, what the fuck a giant bay door behind the view screen?? Dr Crusher is a hermetic mercenary? Round and round the mulberry bush! Enterprise-D flying through the Borg cube like Lando Calrissian in the Death Star. (Let's not even mention size differences in that analogy.) Data is fat and I would not have sex with him

Look what you've done to me bro

Though the general pretense of surreptitious conspiracy taking over anybody who uses a transporter is completely solid. But also "Fucking solids!" Ugh. What a train wreck. Ok the best part was seeing Ensign Ro and the Capn hash it out. That was overdue and done quite well. Geordi's daughter was kind of cute, Captain Shaw was fine I guess. My son said it should have just been a Captain Riker show and I totally agree. At least Frakes still has it.

Even if there was a fourth season I would need a phaser to my noggin forcing me to tune in.

 

[UnKillFill]

Picard s3 had some serious shit and I don't mean when it hits 88mph. The changelings are done completely and utterly wrong to the point where the story doesn't make a lick of sense, why isn't Worf a badass on Quonos, the Borg Queen again? Jack's stupid ass Red Door mystery box taking forever (spoiler it's Borg), Marina Sirtis playing herself and not Troi, why the fuck is Seven of Nine here, what the fuck a giant bay door behind the view screen?? Dr Crusher is a hermetic mercenary? Round and round the mulberry bush! Enterprise-D flying through the Borg cube like Lando Calrissian in the Death Star. (Let's not even mention size differences in that analogy.) Data is fat and I would not have sex with him

Look what you've done to me bro

Though the general pretense of surreptitious conspiracy taking over anybody who uses a transporter is completely solid. But also "Fucking solids!" Ugh. What a train wreck. Ok the best part was seeing Ensign Ro and the Capn hash it out. That was overdue and done quite well. Geordi's daughter was kind of cute, Captain Shaw was fine I guess. My son said it should have just been a Captain Riker show and I totally agree. At least Frakes still has it.

Even if there was a fourth season I would need a phaser to my noggin forcing me to tune in.

This is why I asked the question. Picard Season 3 was by no means perfect, but I *did* actually like it... I was just wondering if the only reason why liked it is because Trek has been so shit for so long that I just gravitated towards the first part in years that wasn't worse than cancer.

But my question wasn't, "What if they made a fourth season?" It was "What if the first 2 seasons were never made, and they started with the purely fanservice season first, and then made 2 more seasons after that?"

For what it's worth, if nothing else, I think it would have been better.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

Hypothetically speaking, if Picard had started with season 3 as the first, and then got 2 more seasons that built on that (without ANY of the bullshit from the first 2 seasons we actually got) Do you think it could have been good?

Since we know it was better received, I assume by good you mean in a literary sense... and season 3 is not like a TNG season at all. A lot of TNG episodes are some kind of mystery that characters spend meeting time trying to figure out what it even is. Villainous aliens like the Conspiracy Bugs or the Borg are the exceptions to the rule. When it does hint at a wider world like with the Cardassians, Maquis, Romulans, or Klingons, it becomes a political show where the crew figure out how to mitigate the fallout and to stop the fighting whenever possible. Which this show doesn't do either. And I still don't think of the Enterprise D to be the kind of ship that can do tight maneuvers. It was always like an 18 wheeler where it can't stop on a dime and every movement takes a lot of effort because of all the mass. Tanky ships should always feel tanky, not like the Millennium Falcon.

So it would be what RLM--if they were consistent--criticized Rogue One for. "I'm gonna cum" from all the memberberries!

 

[Cnut]

But my question wasn't, "What if they made a fourth season?" It was "What if the first 2 seasons were never made, and they started with the purely fanservice season first, and then made 2 more seasons after that?"

I only saw/read reviews of seasons 1 and 2 so for me season 3 was the first. It was easy to jump in and I'm sure that was their plan, just ignore the shit that came before. My statement about phaser to the noggin still stands. Maybe the show could improve, but like.. who cares. They need a new ship/crew that seeks new life, civilizations, etc etc. I don't know whose idea it was, for example, to have a bunch of bird-mask guys use machine guns and then claim they are changelings who never change--but it was all fucking retardo. Like, if the Star Wars sequels were on that level of fan service everyone would have loved them. But Trek is more of a style/idea than the continuity or world-building, and this show is completely lacking in that core element. Plus it was cheap, they couldn't even make a real 10-forward set, which probably could have done with a green screen so well that no one could tell.

So yes as season 1 of 3 it would have been better but still not good.

Now can anyone answer this question, when they leave the space museum and warp to Earth did the Enterprise do the rubber band stretch? I remember it NOT happening and being pissed but I might have blinked and missed it. (It would have been so perfect at that moment.)

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

I just can't believe how post-Enterprise Trek got done. They had so many possibilities with the timeline after the Dominion War and they shanked it.

 

[Rudolf's Friend]

I'm not a fan of Star Trek, but I stumbled onto this guy while watching another lolcow because not only is he into the Star Trek community he's also into the game show community although not as much as Star Trek, and I think you guys would enjoy learning about this actual attention-seeking faggot named Patrick Patterson, AKA Patrick D. Patterson, AKA "Dr. Patrick Patterson" (Despite the fact he's not an actual doctor)

https://linktr.ee/pdpatterson

This faggot is such an actual attention-seeker that he had a picture of actual gay porn from that lower decks show and had one of the voice actors sign it publically, and bragged that "This is what Star Trek Has Become!".

Spoiler: Actual Gay porn being shown at a convention (NSFL)

 

[Expenses2999]

I'm not a fan of Star Trek, but I stumbled onto this guy while watching another lolcow because not only is he into the Star Trek community he's also into the game show community although not as much as Star Trek, and I think you guys would enjoy learning about this actual attention-seeking faggot named Patrick Patterson, AKA Patrick D. Patterson, AKA "Dr. Patrick Patterson" (Despite the fact he's not an actual doctor)

https://linktr.ee/pdpatterson

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This faggot is such an actual attention-seeker that he had a picture of actual gay porn from that lower decks show and had one of the voice actors sign it publically, and bragged that "This is what Star Trek Has Become!".

Spoiler: Actual Gay porn being shown at a convention (NSFL)

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The porn isn't even good.

 

[ZMOT]

Hypothetically speaking, if Picard had started with season 3 as the first, and then got 2 more seasons that built on that (without ANY of the bullshit from the first 2 seasons we actually got) Do you think it could have been good?

picard is the star wars sequels in reverse. TFA started with a lot of goodwill and went downhill, S3 "saved" picard (or rather paramount+) after violently smearing feces all over themselves for two seasons. but in the end they're both empty memberberry-fests without any substance - which, I'd argue for star trek is even worse. "hey remember those actors playing your favorite characters?! vaguely doing and saying the same things you liked so much?!". ffs they even capped it off with another fucking poker scene which is literally "hey remember how much you liked the ending of all good things?", which considering the absolute shit the first to seasons were and S3 as some form of emergency brake was completely unearned.

so no, there was nothing to build on since the foundation was always completely hollow. all it might have done is save us from the utter idiocy that were picard S1+S2.

They need a new ship/crew that seeks new life, civilizations, etc etc.

this.
I don't want "tried but failed" more TNG shit, I want a proper new captain with a proper new crew. fucking lower decks is more star trek in that regard, it at least did something different instead of yet another HEY REMEMBER?!??!? which is literally all that star trek is now. hey remember spock? I'm his retarded diversity hire step-sister that was never mentioned before! hey remember captain pike? yeah how about we give you not one but fucking TWO versions of him? hey remember tng you liked so much?! how do you like us shitting on voyager too in the process, you guys always said it was shit right?!