Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

[ToroidalBoat]

I think that even in ENT (which came out in the '00s), something like an ineternet still seems to be lacking. Also, there seems to be no "social media" in the future in ST.

I find that YouTube embeds won't play here more often than not

Not just here, on the embed site itself. I guess it's a push to get people to use the main site.

youtube.com/embed/[video code]

 

[Van Darkholme]

Also, there seems to be no "social media" in the future in ST.

It really is some sort of utopian fantasy.

 

[The Gene Genie]

Also, there seems to be no "social media" in the future in ST.

In the Eugenics Wars, Khan killed every social media developer and influencer and the whole thing just kinda died off after the drug-soldier mania in the 2030s

 

[Curzon Dax-sama]

In the Eugenics Wars, Khan killed every social media developer and influencer and the whole thing just kinda died off after the drug-soldier mania in the 2030s

That makes Khan even more based in my books.

 

[Scritti Politti]

I've been repeatedly bombarded with the same Section 31 ad in the course of watching Pluto.

I have no idea what the story even is, and the ad doesn't inspire me to hunt down additional details.

All I see is a Black guy and the Yellow Peril making MCU-style quips while shit explodes. It doesn't really sell the concept.

Perhaps its a tax writeoff of some sort?

 

[The Gene Genie]

Perhaps it’s a tax writeoff of some sort?

Worse. It’s Kurtzman’s vanity project he’s been begging CBS to greenlight for a decade. He tried to astroturf it a few years ago with a fake internet interest campaign, and CBS greenlit a movie instead of the series he actually wanted.

Be thankful it’s just a movie, I guess.

 

[Miller]

It could be because the copyright holders over Star Trek do not want clips being played on other sites. Or it could be crappy coding.

I think it's a copyright thing.

So for the record TMP is a good Star Trek movie and as it rekindled the franchise thus deserves it's high spot in the cannon. Sure Wrath was awesomer action wise and IV was funnier and more entertaining (but it was barely a Star Trek movie) and hell I even like III. McCoy's line at the beginning is probably the best line in the whole damn series IMHO.

People bring up Wrath of Khan for being the best one but it's probably because of the pacing. I prefer Star Trek V because of the characters (that scene with McCoy and his father, damn).

So..yah kindly stop shitting on TMP just because it's a little slow and dated by modern standards.

I don't shit on TMP, sure it's slow and there is a long sequence with the Enterprise but it's deserved, it's for the fans. I think it's the movie with the best soundtrack too.

I think that even in ENT (which came out in the '00s), something like an ineternet still seems to be lacking. Also, there seems to be no "social media" in the future in ST.

They rarely bring up entertainment or journalism too.

Worse. It’s Kurtzman’s vanity project he’s been begging CBS to greenlight for a decade. He tried to astroturf it a few years ago with a fake internet interest campaign, and CBS greenlit a movie instead of the series he actually wanted.

Be thankful it’s just a movie, I guess.

I think it only got made because the actress got an Oscar that year and Kurtzman hopes to trick people into watching his version of Star Trek.

 

[Sweeter and Savoury]

People bring up Wrath of Khan for being the best one but it's probably because of the pacing. I prefer Star Trek V because of the characters (that scene with McCoy and his father, damn).

I've always felt Wrath was the best movie because of both the acting, lets be honest the only person able to out ham Shatner was Montalban and even though the never actually shared a screen they feed other of each other amazingly well and the tension is palpable between the two (and of course we got the KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAN meme which is gold).

And then you have the death of Spock, which was a unforeseen gut punch. We thought that somehow Spock would be OK but his funeral scene still hits hard to this very day. Hell when I first saw Wrath I watched Spock do the thing and I was all like...pffft no way Spock dies and then BLAM! right in the feels with Kirk's farewell eulogy.

I actually don't mind III. I liked most of it in fact and it feels like a very Trek sort of film with lots of good idea's and callbacks. Plus you know Kelly doing his best Nimoy impression is down right awesome. Why it gets hated on it always a bit beyond my understanding.

Really the JJ Abrams movies were 100% missing the point of Star Trek, trying to sell it as a slick action movie for the masses rather then what Trek should be. But Nu-Hollywood missing the point of older franchises is so blatant now it's not even remotely funny.

I also think that is why Trek really is dying. The culture and attitudes of the new generations of people are just not compatible with the values Trek pushes..well real Trek not the Nu-Trek, so there is no real interest in it.

Maybe in another decade or so humanity will have swung back towards a more hopeful optimistic outlook on life that gels with the future Trek portrays and not this bleak nihilism that has grasped onto everyone. A time when we will look forward with hope and not backward with longing only then can Trek really come back and start over.

But hey, we had to wait over a decade for TMP and now we have many great moves and tv series to sustain us until the day someone somewhere is able to resurrect that magic that was Star Trek.

 

[The Gene Genie]

The culture and attitudes of the new generations of people are just not compatible with the values Trek pushes

I don't think it's the people in general, it's the people who infest the Hollywood productions who are nihilistic faggots who hate everything. Most of the people writing for Star Trek, just as any other franchise really, hate Star Trek. They'd rather be doing their own sci-fi production or whatever, but because they are terrible and untalented they have to do it under the guise and goodwill of an age-old franchise that is only being carried with the weight of a production run that ended so long that there are registered voters who were born after Star Trek was good.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

for the record TMP is a good Star Trek movie

I love TMP because it's slow. Not everything has to be full of action.

I think TMP is unironically favorite of '70s y '80s TOS films.

 

[Sayer of the N-Word]

I don't think it's the people in general, it's the people who infest the Hollywood productions who are nihilistic faggots who hate everything. Most of the people writing for Star Trek, just as any other franchise really, hate Star Trek. They'd rather be doing their own sci-fi production or whatever, but because they are terrible and untalented they have to do it under the guise and goodwill of an age-old franchise that is only being carried with the weight of a production run that ended so long that there are registered voters who were born after Star Trek was good.

There are going to be people entering the Hollywood biz soon who were born after the first Iron Man movie was released. There are generations of people who have consumed no fiction other than Star Wars, Harry Potter, and Marvel movies, which are all "chosen one" plots filled with twee/soy dialogue carefully written so that people who are checking their phones every thirty seconds can still follow along. This is all they know, and they're convinced that this is all that the SF/F consumer wants, which is probably true.

 

[Curzon Dax-sama]

There are going to be people entering the Hollywood biz soon who were born after the first Iron Man movie was released. There are generations of people who have consumed no fiction other than Star Wars, Harry Potter, and Marvel movies, which are all "chosen one" plots filled with twee/soy dialogue carefully written so that people who are checking their phones every thirty seconds can still follow along. This is all they know, and they're convinced that this is all that the SF/F consumer wants, which is probably true.

I'm not saying that we should nuke the cities, but... we should most definitely nuke the cities.

 

[ZMOT]

I'm not saying that we should nuke the cities, but... we should most definitely nuke the cities.

california mismanagement "climate change" is already taking care of that.

Really the JJ Abrams movies were 100% missing the point of Star Trek, trying to sell it as a slick action movie for the masses rather then what Trek should be. But Nu-Hollywood missing the point of older franchises is so blatant now it's not even remotely funny.

I can accept jjtrek for what it is as some form of different aspect of trek, kinda like tng isn't ds9, ds9 isn't tos etc. and it's only 2 movies (1+3, 2 doesn't even feel like jjtrek), a jjtrek series would be like kurtzman trek.
the other reason it works for me is "shit going down". you can do things in a movie that's out of budget in a tv series, and you actually got some action instead of rocking in chairs and worf getting knocked out by empty plastic barrels (or whatever the later trek movies were). space fights are great and all, but even for me as a trek nerd there can be more.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

I think TMP is unironically favorite of '70s y '80s TOS films.

I think there's a case to be made that it and V are the most in-line with TOS, rather than a follow-up to the TOS concept

 

[The Gene Genie]

I think TMP is unironically favorite of '70s y '80s TOS films.

It's definitely not my favorite (Wrath of Khan is), but I really appreciate the concept and the real commitment to bringing Star Trek back in a way that didn't compromise the spirit of what they had going in the 60s. It feels like a glimpse of what Phase II could've been like.

 

[Travoltron]

I think there's a case to be made that it and V are the most in-line with TOS, rather than a follow-up to the TOS concept

TMP has the best music and special effects. V also has the same great music. I think all six are good. We didn't know how good we had it or how bad Trek would become.

 

[Miller]

There are generations of people who have consumed no fiction other than Star Wars, Harry Potter, and Marvel movies, which are all "chosen one" plots filled with twee/soy dialogue carefully written so that people who are checking their phones every thirty seconds can still follow along.

This is pretty much the current generation of writers. They have barely met an actual human being outside of their Hollywood circle. They have learned character interactions from sitcoms and Joss Whedon productions.
This is bad for Star Trek because these people have never actually lived, they don't know struggle or what war is.

I think there's a case to be made that it and V are the most in-line with TOS, rather than a follow-up to the TOS concept

I agree, I liked V because it was like a TOS episode but with a bigger budget and a longer script.

 

[Chilson]

It's definitely not my favorite (Wrath of Khan is), but I really appreciate the concept and the real commitment to bringing Star Trek back in a way that didn't compromise the spirit of what they had going in the 60s. It feels like a glimpse of what Phase II could've been like.

People really sleep on Undiscovered Country. Shit is still fire to to this day.

 

[The Gene Genie]

TMP has the best music and special effects. V also has the same great music. I think all six are good. We didn't know how good we had it or how bad Trek would become.

As goofy as V is, it simply doesn't compare to the coal that has been produced since 2009.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

This is pretty much the current generation of writers. They have barely met an actual human being outside of their Hollywood circle. They have learned character interactions from sitcoms and Joss Whedon productions.
This is bad for Star Trek because these people have never actually lived, they don't know struggle or what war is.


I agree, I liked V because it was like a TOS episode but with a bigger budget and a longer script.

Yeah 5 had important rock climbing and punching gods in the dick which had been missed by the movies until then