Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

[JustSomeDong]

The best Star Trek uniforms were the ENT uniforms. If I was working on a ship in space I'd want a jumpsuit with pockets, not some gay spandex shit like in TNG or those super thick uniforms from the later seasons of DS9. Those uniforms looked uncomfortably hot. Just give me a blue jump suit, a bit of water polo, a long road getting from there to here, and my time will finally be here.

I should skip Voyager when I'm done with my DS9 run through and give ENT another watch. I never gave it a real chance and skipped it until a couple years ago, and I ended up enjoying it. As much as I love Trek, I also love gritty, hard scifi, where ships aren't always clean, antiseptic, and pretty. Where people are still people with flaws, where a crisis isn't inevitably always solvable in the end (or something that could have been forestalled by) by good old Federation Mary Sue diplomacy. And ENT had more than the few sprinkles of that we've seen in anything that came before it, even DS9. Sure DS9 had its darker moments, but everything was always pretty much back to status quo, character wise, after at least one episode.

Look at O'Brian, He of the Suffering, and what happens? Oh, he was psychologically scarred by being forced to endure the simulated memories of decades in an alien prison, so much so that he becomes suicidal in Hard Time. Next episodes? Same old O'Brian. Last we hear of it. ENT had more tragic and flawed characters. Archer had to do some dark shit, but it did affect his character in later episodes. There isn't much real character development in the rest of Trek.

The only ones that come to mind outside of the vast Kirk/Spock/McCoy bro arc are Barclay, Seven on Nine, Worf, the Doctor, and the Positronic Pimp himself, Data. And those last two? That's just, like, software upgrades, man.

But I've had a touch of the dank, and probably am not thinking it through very thoroughly.

Anyways, have some more Trek memes.

 

[Harold Godwinson]

I am already dreading that Section 31 movie.

I imagine this movie will just be an excuse to have characters act like assholes, with teenage edginess, zero moral dilemmas or gray areas, lots of crying, and girlbosses.

It’s for sure just gonna be more Kurtzman dogshit. I watched the trailer just now and it just looks like Marvel slop but a bit edgier. I might have hate-watched it at one point but the trailer genuinely repulsed me.

 

[Gregg Turkington]

It’s for sure just gonna be more Kurtzman dogshit. I watched the trailer just now and it just looks like Marvel slop but a bit edgier. I might have hate-watched it at one point but the trailer genuinely repulsed me.

I can't remember specifics, but in the final Section 31 episode of DS9 that has Sloan get mind-raped by Bashir and O'Brien, isn't it inferred that Section 31 is either far smaller than Bashir thought it was, or at least that it was extremely decentralised in a way that would make big retarded action scenes from that trailer impossible?

 

[Miller]

I can't remember specifics, but in the final Section 31 episode of DS9 that has Sloan get mind-raped by Bashir and O'Brien, isn't it inferred that Section 31 is either far smaller than Bashir thought it was, or at least that it was extremely decentralised in a way that would make big retarded action scenes from that trailer impossible?

You shouldn't waste your time trying to rationalize what you saw in Kurtzman Trek. None of the people in charge care about what they have produced.
When they added Section 31 in STD back when it was set before the TOS era, they had ships with cloaking ability that could send millions of tiny drones like the Cylon Basestars in BSG. Also instead of being a secret bureau, they had a special combadge and everybody knew who they were.

 

[Dick Johnson]

I'm quite enjoying Season 3 of Picard. I don't like his son's stupid accent and I wish they'd gotten rid of the ugly nigger lesbian, but other than that, it's been pretty good. I'm about 5 episodes in.

I just finished watching it a couple weeks ago. (I did skip the first two seasons.)

It's OK. It's largely pandering, but most of that pandering is effective. It feels like it was written around getting the TNG cast back together and working in a bunch of references to classic Trek, but it still ended up being nice to see the band back in action and most of the references were well executed. But it's very much an action-thriller with relatively minimal attention paid to stuff like exploration. But the pacing is decent, it doesn't drag like TMP and it doesn't have the frenetic feel of JJ-Trek. And, nightclub-level lighting aside, it also looks like Star Trek. (Seriously, how the hell are the crew supposed to actually work when it's that fuckin' dark everywhere on the ship?)

 

[draggs]

as much as I detest Nu-Trek I did enjoy Urban as McCoy. Everyone else was terribly cast. Especially Kirk, Scottie and extra especially Spock. Terrible casting all around.

But then again I tend to enjoy Urban in pretty much...well anything. He's a awesome and seriously under-rated actor IMHO. I loved him in Dread and CoR.

On an off note I always found it weird that everyone uses Deforest's first name rather then his last. I mean we don't call Shatner William nor Nimoy Leonard but everyone calls Kelly by his first name.

weird

don't forget his best line ever

https://youtu.be/oCwsZavV0mM?t=77

DORFS IN SHAMBLES

 

[Sweeter and Savoury]

don't forget his best line ever

https://youtu.be/oCwsZavV0mM?t=77

DORFS IN SHAMBLES

ha, I almost forgot he was in that. Too bad Urban had such a smallish role but he did it well.

I like too. He was awesome as Dredd

Thread Tax:

My favourite uniform is the Wrath one. I dig the red on white combo even if it looks like a sweater/vest combo I still dig it. well...I own one too so I guess I am biased.

 

[Fatsuit Shinji]

I can't remember specifics, but in the final Section 31 episode of DS9 that has Sloan get mind-raped by Bashir and O'Brien, isn't it inferred that Section 31 is either far smaller than Bashir thought it was, or at least that it was extremely decentralised in a way that would make big retarded action scenes from that trailer impossible?

I'm lean towards extreme decentralization as what Section 31 does will inevitably have agents killed and/or captured in and outside of the Federation. And the last thing it wants is one captured agent getting mindfucked and revealing everything to the captors.

 

[INDEED]

Section 31 undermines Star Trek philosophy by basically saying that Kirk and Picard can only be a peaceful, enlightened, diplomatic explorers because there is a genocidal sociopath Sloan waiting in the wings if the going ever gets tough.

I might of bought Section 31 if it was a bunch of deperate rogue Starfleet Intelligence, but DS9 retconned it to the beginning of the Federation.

 

[Flexo]

Why are Nutrek writers so obsessed with making Spock emotional? It was used sparingly before, and that's what made it impactful.

Exactly that. "Oh it had emotional impact before. I need emotional impact now. So I'll have him be emotional!"

They literally can't understand overuse devaluing something.

 

[Chilson]

Section 31 undermines Star Trek philosophy by basically saying that Kirk and Picard can only be a peaceful, enlightened, diplomatic explorers because there is a genocidal sociopath Sloan waiting in the wings if the going ever gets tough.

I might of bought Section 31 if it was a bunch of deperate rogue Starfleet Intelligence, but DS9 retconned it to the beginning of the Federation.

Section 31 is the only way a Star Trek philosophy would SURVIVE in its given universe. DS9 gave the only realistic option for this future "communist space paradise" to ever truly survive against incredibly hostile, deceptive and depraved alien species who don't just want to kumbaya around the campfire and would rather drink human blood from their flayed skulls. With a dark underbelly of devotees who sacrifice their souls and ideals to save everyone else from making those harsh, but necessary choices.

"peaceful, enlightened, diplomatic explorers" is also hilarious when your talking about fucking Kirk of all people who through hands almost as much as he laid alien poontang.

 

[The Gene Genie]

Why are Nutrek writers so obsessed with making Spock emotional? It was used sparingly before, and that's what made it impactful.

I think it comes down to the actors and the writing staff can only do so much with it. Very few actors can pull off what Nimoy laid out where Spock was a simmering ball of “emotion” underneath the veneer of logic.

 

[Flexo]

ha, I almost forgot he was in that. Too bad Urban had such a smallish role but he did it well.

I like too. He was awesome as Dredd

We always need more Karl Urban. (got to see him at a con and ask a question - cool dude)

Would definitely watch more Star Trek with him.

I think it comes down to the actors and the writing staff can only do so much with it. Very few actors can pull off what Nimoy laid out where Spock was a simmering ball of “emotion” underneath the veneer of logic.

Exactly this. As SFDebris likes to say: emotionless doesn't mean lifeless.

Best Vulcan actors IMO after Nimoy established the standard? Tim Russ (Tuvok) and Kristi Alley (Saavik 1). Robin Curtis did good too but I was surprised when rewatching Trek 2 how layered Kristi's performance was.

 

[Gregg Turkington]

Section 31 undermines Star Trek philosophy by basically saying that Kirk and Picard can only be a peaceful, enlightened, diplomatic explorers because there is a genocidal sociopath Sloan waiting in the wings if the going ever gets tough.

Early Trek was novel for it's utopian vision, but can you really expect such an outlook to survive a large-scale war? Biggest criticism people can level against DS9 is it started to break away from the original vision of what Star Trek was, but honestly I found all the political, diplomatic and religious intrigue (except the stupid Pah-Wraiths) far more interesting than just having another TNG on a space station.

 

[Miller]

Section 31 undermines Star Trek philosophy by basically saying that Kirk and Picard can only be a peaceful, enlightened, diplomatic explorers because there is a genocidal sociopath Sloan waiting in the wings if the going ever gets tough.

I might of bought Section 31 if it was a bunch of deperate rogue Starfleet Intelligence, but DS9 retconned it to the beginning of the Federation.

Like Ben Sisko said: "it's easy to be a saint in Paradise".

Biggest criticism people can level against DS9 is it started to break away from the original vision of what Star Trek was, but honestly I found all the political, diplomatic and religious intrigue (except the stupid Pah-Wraiths) far more interesting than just having another TNG on a space station.

DS9 is a good example of a deconstruction done right because the writers didn't destroy Star Trek, they challenged these values established by Roddenberry and others, and re-enforced them.

 

[The Gene Genie]

Exactly this. As SFDebris likes to say: emotionless doesn't mean lifeless.

I think it comes to a fundamental misunderstanding of what the Vulcan Logic is. It’s seemed to have morphed in actors’ and writing staff’s minds that Vulcan Logic is genetic and part of their DNA, but that’s not how Roddenberry and Nimoy formulated it. Vulcan Logic is a religious cult that they all ascribe to in varying degrees.

All the Vulcans who didn’t drink the kool aid with Surak Jones went to Romulus.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Why are Nutrek writers so obsessed with making Spock emotional? It was used sparingly before, and that's what made it impactful.

It's because he smiled in The Cage. That's literally it. The entire thing with Spock being emotional in the prequel series' is to explain that.

Very few actors can pull off what Nimoy laid out where Spock was a simmering ball of “emotion” underneath the veneer of logic.

That's the frustrating thing. Ethan Peck (unlike Zachary Quintism) is more than capable of pulling off a good vulcan, but they give him such ham-fisted and stupid scripts to work with that he never gets to actually exercise it.

I think it comes to a fundamental misunderstanding of what the Vulcan Logic is. It’s seemed to have morphed in actors’ and writing staff’s minds that Vulcan Logic is genetic and part of their DNA

They categorically proved they think this with that episode where all the characters were transformed into vulcans, using magical science juice (and an earlier one, in which Spock was turned human with the same science juice). They all became coldly logical on a genetic level, complete with confused declarations of how emotional they had been before, even though established lore has long had it that the reason Vulcans are so obsessive about self-imposed emotional suppression is because they are the emotional equivalent of a nuclear bomb with a hair-trigger fuse.

 

[Miller]

I think it comes to a fundamental misunderstanding of what the Vulcan Logic is.

Exactly. Vulcans aren't emotionless, the Vulcan Logic tells them to control their emotions. That's why they get all fucked up in any situation where they lose control like during pon farr.

 

[Bunny Wigglesworth]

The awesome William Sadler is still alive, looks good for his age, and would've happily returned to play Director Sloan in a proper Section 31 movie/pilot. Instead we get this Kurtzman crap with the femdom chink from the execrable STD. I know she got a DEI participation trophy but the bitch isn"t a good actor & still sounds like Miss Swan after 30 years in Hollywood.

Infuriatingly wasted opportunity to make something new that would also appeal to fans of classic Trek.

 

[Friendly Primarina]

Since the thread turned to Vulcans I just want to voice my appreciation for this scene. It shows why you always want a Vulcan in control of your critical systems.