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Yeah I can def believe Frakes and Sirtis are chummy
iirc PatStew and Spiner are legit buddies too
 
I don't honestly even know if Shatner and Nimoy were that close.

Shatner has got a pretty damn big ego and we know it's caused issues in the past. And we as fans would love to think the actors are their characters but I've seen camaraderie between the 3 but nothing like BFF's. If you read Nimoy's first book (I am not Spock) he didn't really seem that much a fan of Shatner to me.

After all they are actors and actors are notorious pricks. Except Frakes...everyone seems to love him and he does appear to a genuinely nice guy all around.
 
I've always found it interesting how Star Trek tends to mean a lot more to the fans than to most of the actors.

I can't blame them, because their job is literally to lie to us (that's what acting is). If anything, that's a testament to their skills. Stewart might be the most extreme case of being absolutely amazing when it comes to realizing scripts, but still somehow completely clueless about writing, or even what people like about Star Trek.

There's an old interview with Jeri Ryan that impressed me because she was absolutely able to nail that Star Trek was about hope and optimism. That didn't stop her from signing up for Star Trek: Picard to butcher her character. But to be fair, acting is her job, and she needs to work. Can't blame her for not rejecting a paycheck. Still I do miss when she was a superlogical ex-borg regaining her humanity, instead of girlboss #2414 boss they turned her to.
 
Mystery Spy said:
I've always found it interesting how Star Trek tends to mean a lot more to the fans than to most of the actors.
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I get the impression far more of the Star Trek actors are somewhat resentful over being it than the ones who have an overall positive outlook of it. Being a lead in something like Star Trek essentially kills any hope that actor might have of being "something else." Some manage to overcome this, either through getting better roles eventually or through just not giving a shit, but I get the impression there are a few that haven't really gotten over being soured by it. I mean when was the last time Robert Beltran was in anything?
 
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He cannot be promoted! Those bastards! Also, they did my man Garak dirty...IMG_20250201_204802782.jpg

Apparently, I will soon have faith of the heart? I don't know what that means, so am I fucked, Kiwibros?
 
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I definitely agree. For a fan, and the few actors who happen to be fans, it's a dream come true. I'm reminded of Seth MacFarlane, who loved the show and was likely thrilled for his cameo.

But setting aside our love for the show and fan bias—for actors dreaming of becoming big Hollywood stars, doing Scorsese-type movies, and getting an Oscar—they must really resent being trapped in a "dorky" show, and mostly stay because it's a steady paycheck with the possibility of juicy royalties.

Putting on that Starfleet uniform or an alien costume will assure you of being immortalized by fans long after even an Oscar-winning movie will fade from memory...
 
The Gene Genie said:
I get the impression far more of the Star Trek actors are somewhat resentful over being it than the ones who have an overall positive outlook of it. Being a lead in something like Star Trek essentially kills any hope that actor might have of being "something else." Some manage to overcome this, either through getting better roles eventually or through just not giving a shit, but I get the impression there are a few that haven't really gotten over being soured by it. I mean when was the last time Robert Beltran was in anything?
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it's not like they were big stars before star trek, back then there was always a divide between tv and the big screen. going by what I heard from some tv actors a long running series with a steady paycheck is much more valuable than a movie gig that might not even pay that well unless you're one of the top cast.

TNG ran for 7 seasons, plus movies and then all the extra money from convention appearances, other media like videogames etc, is probably a nice enough amount of money over the years.

sure, people won't idolize you like an a-list celebrity, but that's an exception anyway.
 
Mystery Spy said:
Putting on that Starfleet uniform or an alien costume will assure you of being immortalized by fans long after even an Oscar-winning movie will fade from memory...
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Ultimately I feel like this is about as good of a legacy as any actor can really hope for. People will be wearing Vulcan ears and a goofy wig pretending to be Spock long after the latest Oscarbait has been relegated to the dust of online streaming.

Unrelated: are there any actually GOOD fan-fiction stuff with Star Trek? The entire "novelsphere" has been basically dead for years. The last real big book I remember was the end of New Frontier, and I didn't even really like that one. I'm not going to pay $30 to read this actual goyslop. I know Star Wars, from experience, has somewhat of a decent "fan-fiction" community that isn't 100% homosexual bullshit, but my only attempt to look was just filled with Kirk and Spock pairings that I gave up.
 
The Gene Genie said:
Ultimately I feel like this is about as good of a legacy as any actor can really hope for. People will be wearing Vulcan ears and a goofy wig pretending to be Spock long after the latest Oscarbait has been relegated to the dust of online streaming.

Unrelated: are there any actually GOOD fan-fiction stuff with Star Trek? The entire "novelsphere" has been basically dead for years. The last real big book I remember was the end of New Frontier, and I didn't even really like that one. I'm not going to pay $30 to read this actual goyslop. I know Star Wars, from experience, has somewhat of a decent "fan-fiction" community that isn't 100% homosexual bullshit, but my only attempt to look was just filled with Kirk and Spock pairings that I gave up.
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If you want Star Trek fan fiction just watch the Orville
 
Chaos Theorist said:
If you want Star Trek fan fiction just watch the Orville
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Honestly wasn't a huge fan. I know it gets props for "feeling like Star Trek" but the humor is really present and I don't find Seth McFarlane that funny.
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But did you ever read Planet X?View attachment 6931488
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Didn't read this capeshit, thankfully. I did like the Lost Era books, and I read through that whole massive Titan -> Destiny expanded universe arc before PIC shit all over it.
 
Mystery Spy said:
There's an old interview with Jeri Ryan that impressed me because she was absolutely able to nail that Star Trek was about hope and optimism. That didn't stop her from signing up for Star Trek: Picard to butcher her character. But to be fair, acting is her job, and she needs to work. Can't blame her for not rejecting a paycheck. Still I do miss when she was a superlogical ex-borg regaining her humanity, instead of girlboss #2414 boss they turned her to.
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It's even worse as Seven of Nine had became the Star Trek version of Stagate SG-1 Teal'c in Star Trek Online long before ST:D and Picard. Was doing a great job with the PC, of fucking up the Borg Collective by freeing the borg and keeping them free from it.
 
The Gene Genie said:
Honestly wasn't a huge fan. I know it gets props for "feeling like Star Trek" but the humor is really present and I don't find Seth McFarlane that funny.
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They tone down the humour as the show progresses. If you can stick with it, its actually a really good spiritual successor.
 
The Gene Genie said:
Ultimately I feel like this is about as good of a legacy as any actor can really hope for. People will be wearing Vulcan ears and a goofy wig pretending to be Spock long after the latest Oscarbait has been relegated to the dust of online streaming.
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Shit, no one even remembers Nimoy was in Mission Impossible. Or even that Mission Impossible was not always about Tom Cruise doing things.
 
Mystery Spy said:
But setting aside our love for the show and fan bias—for actors dreaming of becoming big Hollywood stars, doing Scorsese-type movies, and getting an Oscar—they must really resent being trapped in a "dorky" show, and mostly stay because it's a steady paycheck with the possibility of juicy royalties.

Putting on that Starfleet uniform or an alien costume will assure you of being immortalized by fans long after even an Oscar-winning movie will fade from memory...
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Yes remember Joan Collins who dismissed her role as nothing more the "Christmas money" and disparaged the show and cast as small time TV crap she lowered herself to do for some extra spending money?

Well bitch no one remembers any your movie roles today but you will live on forever as Edith Keeler.

karma is a real bitch sometimes ain't it.

When Deforest Kelly was asked if he was sad that all his old Hollywood roles would be forgotten and overshadowed by McCoy what did he say?

He said;

"son I would be perfectly happy if it was Leonard McCoy they put on my tombstone"

fuck I love that man so much


no homo though
 
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The Gene Genie said:
Unrelated: are there any actually GOOD fan-fiction stuff with Star Trek?
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It's not like a narrative or anything but this is one of the better Star Trek fanworks imo
It gives a nice impression of what Earth was like in the lead up to the Federation, what the early Federation was like, and then everything that happens just before the Original Series, all told through the development histories of various ship types. It was written before Enterprise so it obviously diverges a lot from that.

I believe Masao Okazaki actually contributed some art to the remastered version of TOS, so he's technically been involved with real trek in addition to being a fan.
 
Mystery Spy said:
Star Trek tends to mean a lot more to the fans than to most of the actors.
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every episode of star trek involved working 70 hours a week minimum in hot tight clothes, and without any real clue of how the episodes would be shot and all the footage you'd see is pre-special effects.

there's going to be a huge difference between how they'd see the show vs the fans. Same way its hard to "keep the magic" of chuck e cheese or an arcade or amusement park if you work there vs being a regular.
 
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to give you the benefit of doubt, lions mauling people didn't make us genociding all lions, never mind the logic "b-but they kill people" is retarded as a reasonable argument. people kill people, following that we should genocide everyone just to be sure "no one gets killed anymore". see the issue? instead we only killed lions when they became an immediate danger (or for sport) and otherwise build protections.
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We literally did genocide all lions though, at least off the only continent that matters. They used to be all over Europe from Greece to Britain, and they posed such obvious danger that it was considered heroic to kill them on sight.
 
ZMOT said:
it's not like they were big stars before star trek, back then there was always a divide between tv and the big screen. going by what I heard from some tv actors a long running series with a steady paycheck is much more valuable than a movie gig that might not even pay that well unless you're one of the top cast.
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"I used to say when I was working in the theater that if I ever had five seasons of a hit TV show I'd never have to worry about money and wouldn't have to do anything I didn't want to do."--Jerry Orbach

Robert Picardo said he was thrilled when he got the Voyager job, since he could put his kids through college.
 
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