Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

[Captain Syrup]

On the other hand, it's a symptom of Picard trying to reinvent Seven as a badass when her greatest strength was her intelligence.

A room full of hack screenwriters, trying to Frankenstein a cinematic soyverse out of Star Trek. "Hmm, who’s our new protagonist for our Halo: Reach knockoff?"

THUNK!, dart hits Seven of Nine. “Perfect."

 

[Mr. Racewar1488]

A room full of hack screenwriters, trying to Frankenstein a cinematic soyverse out of Star Trek. "Hmm, who’s our new protagonist for our Halo: Reach knockoff?" Thunk, dart hits Seven of Nine. “Perfect."

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Why do Sci-Fi properties hate the idea of using stocks and slings on their rifles? "But phasers don't have recoil!" Shut up, retard. Having more body contact with a firearm means you have more control and can be more accurate. Just look at Seven in that picture, how am I supposed to believe she has the wrist strength to support both of those rifles?

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

Why do Sci-Fi properties hate the idea of using stocks and slings on their rifles? "But phasers don't have recoil!" Shut up, retard. Having more body contact with a firearm means you have more control and can be more accurate. Just look at Seven in that picture, how am I supposed to believe she has the wrist strength to support both of those rifles?

Because many Hollywood writers have never held a firearm.

 

[Curzon Dax-sama]

It's easy to shit on current year+10 writers, and one should. But the prop designers aren't blameless either.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

Why do Sci-Fi properties hate the idea of using stocks and slings on their rifles? "But phasers don't have recoil!" Shut up, retard. Having more body contact with a firearm means you have more control and can be more accurate. Just look at Seven in that picture, how am I supposed to believe she has the wrist strength to support both of those rifles?

Not to mention all the other times that doesn't require pointing at anything. Like on a hike.

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

It's easy to shit on current year+10 writers, and one should. But the prop designers aren't blameless either.

The only seriously retarded prop design around Star Trek weapons I can really think of is rifles without stocks. Even with zero recoil, you'd still want a stock for aiming stability. An actor or actress not using the stock and trying to do Chinese gun kata is not the prop-designer's fault.

 

[Captain Syrup]

Just look at Seven in that picture, how am I supposed to believe she has the wrist strength to support both of those rifles?

Same energy:

 

[Commissar Fuklaw]

It's not like there hasn't been a precedent for good tactics and weapons handling.

I'll get around to watching Enterprise properly one day.

 

[Screamer_2]

I never thought Seven of Nine was attractive at all.

Same, she came across as sexless as Janeway. I get big boobs body and that but it kind of fell into uncanny vally. It stirred nothing in my loins. The hair was eww. It's like Kes, she's cute, good body but the hair was eh.

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

It's not like there hasn't been a precedent for good tactics and weapons handling.

I'll get around to watching Enterprise properly one day.

Enterprise is worth it for the MACO episodes.

Same, she came across as sexless as Janeway. I get big boobs body and that but it kind of fell into uncanny vally. It stirred nothing in my loins. The hair was eww. It's like Kes, she's cute, good body but the hair was eh.

Janeway had the opportunity to be sexy in an authoritative way, but the writers passed on it. Probably for the better, but it's possible to write and portray a female character who is not visually sexy or providing fanservice, but has strength and appeal. Ridley Scott and Sigourney Weaver did it with Ellen Ripley in Aliens: she was the boss.

 

[Captain Syrup]

Same, she came across as sexless as Janeway.

Seven was basically Paramount’s “what if we put Pam Anderson in a Borg suit and call it a character.” The worst part is, half her screentime is spent in scenarios where some loser wants to date her, enslave her, or both.

I know there’s still tribal warfare between the VOY nerds about how they axed Kes and subbed in Seven. At the end of the day it’s personal taste: I’ll take Jeri Ryan, she’s way funnier in fish-out-of-water scenes, visually she's like if a Klingon dyke and an autistic Vulcan had a baby. Fun times.

 

[UnKillFill]

Anyway, can we all agree that Kira had the best hair? Nana Visitor rocked that short cut look.

When I was a kid I always thought she was a dyke, and I didn't even know what a dyke was back then.

 

[INDEED]

Anyway, can we all agree that Kira had the best hair?

That would be Illia from Star Trek: The Motion Picture

 

[Mr. Racewar1488]

This week on Star Trek: Who Gives a Fuck Anymore?: Patton Oswalt is a Vulcan, LSD is made canon and is still taken in 2261, and Primanti Brothers sandwiches are also canon. This is the episode where some of the crew turns into Vulcans and it's as bad as we expected. Luann turns into a caricature of a Romulan because why the fuck not?

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

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This week on Star Trek: Who Gives a Fuck Anymore?: Patton Oswalt is a Vulcan, LSD is made canon and is still taken in 2261, and Primanti Brothers sandwiches are also canon. This is the episode where some of the crew turns into Vulcans and it's as bad as we expected. Luann turns into a caricature of a Romulan because why the fuck not?

Delete this.

 

[Mr. Racewar1488]

Delete this.

No, I watched it so the rest of you must experience BIJ. James Kirk also introduces Scotty to scotch and tells him to call him Jim. And there's also Cetacean Ops in engineering with actual whales.

We only have two more years until we're free of Kurtsman Trek, just two more years...

 

[Curzon Dax-sama]

We only have two more years until we're free of Kurtsman Trek, just two more years...

"Two more years" is the new "two more weeks". I believe when I see it.

 

[Captain Syrup]

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This is the episode where some of the crew turns into Vulcans

Remember when old Trek would just turn the main characters into some rubber forehead alien for the episode: boom, Picard’s a Romulan, Sisko's a Klingon, Neelix is a Ferengi, whatever, it was funny.

Nu Trek is like, “okay our Vulcans are very emotional.” Like bro… what’s SNW even proving here? What's the difference?

That would be Illia from Star Trek: The Motion Picture
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[Sweeter and Savoury]

The Delta Quadrant really should be Borg country because of how OP they are. Which means that all the other Delta Quadrant species are untermenschen since they didn't get assimilated.

One of the bigger issue with the Voyager story line is while the constant movement does allow for new villains to be added in pretty easy but at the same time it reduces villains to one or two episodes arcs as Voyager is just trucking on thru.

Hard to build up a worldview or threat level when every day is a new place. You get lost and disjointed because nothing stays. You spend a few episodes to build up a credible threat (say like Siska or whatever her name was) but only a few episodes later that threat is a 1,000 light years behind you and gone forever.

I think that's why the dragged out the Borg, aside from the tanking ratings, because they were already a well established threat and since the audience knew so little about them the Borg could do (and sadly often did) whatever the writers needed them too. Even if it ended turning this massive unknowable threat into just yet another notch on superwoman's belt.

Really Voyager fucked up pretty much every aspect of storytelling. From it's characters, it's heroes, it's villains and it's arcs. If it wasn't Star Trek it would have been cancelled after season 1 due to its terrible writing. I mourn for what could have been.

 

[Ultraman Orb Dark]

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This week on Star Trek: Who Gives a Fuck Anymore?: Patton Oswalt is a Vulcan, LSD is made canon and is still taken in 2261, and Primanti Brothers sandwiches are also canon. This is the episode where some of the crew turns into Vulcans and it's as bad as we expected. Luann turns into a caricature of a Romulan because why the fuck not?

I haven't seen the episode, but according to other people on Bluesky, Uhura apparently uses a mind meld to brainwash her boyfriend, and they're not happy.

I'm not trans, but if any episode is compared to "Code of Honor", that makes it a special kind of bad.

Kirk also introduces Scotty to scotch and tells him to call him Jim. And there's also Cetacean Ops in engineering with actual whales.

Okay, first, why not just make the two have similar tastes in scotch to bond? Second, HOW ARE THERE WHALES IN THE FUTURE?

Remember when old Trek would just turn the main characters into some rubber forehead alien for the episode: boom, Picard’s a Romulan, Sisko's a Klingon, Neelix is a Ferengi, whatever, it was funny.

Part of the humor in those episodes was seeing them try to act like the aliens while undercover, and needing to act out to blend in.

Hard to build up a worldview or threat level when every day is a new place. You get lost and disjointed because nothing stays. You spend a few episodes to build up a credible threat (say like Siska or whatever her name was) but only a few episodes later that threat is a 1,000 light years behind you and gone forever.

I think that's why the dragged out the Borg, aside from the tanking ratings, because they were already a well established threat and since the audience knew so little about them the Borg could do (and sadly often did) whatever the writers needed them too. Even if it ended turning this massive unknowable threat into just yet another notch on superwoman's belt.

It's especially funny because "Scorpion", the first major Borg storyline on Voyager, ended with Kes flinging the ship out of Borg space... and they STILL kept running into Borg ships and outposts for the next four seasons.