Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

[Ultraman Orb Dark]

Why can't two guys just be good friends?

State enforced homosexuality.

It really is annoying because I find you now watch something and when two guys are good friends. You just expect them to end up making them gay. It even infects things where you know you should be fine. I watched the Chinese Ne Zha films recently. There's a ying yang thing with the two main characters and their friendship. Working together. I couldn't help but get the, "they'll make them gay." Feeling. Obviously knowing they wouldn't, but I am conditioned to it now.

It also goes that way with female characters. You see it alot, if they become friends, lesbo sex. Watching some show set in Ancient rome. Young woman looks at a waitress, you instant go, "Lesbians" and you're right.

I couldn't even finish the second season of Good Omens. First season was flawed but enough there. The story of an angel and a fallen angel and their friendship over thousands of years, teaming up to stop the return of the anti-Christ.

Second season was them trying to make two women fall in love as they discovered they were gay. I don't know if I even made it 3 episodes in before noping out.

It's all so predictable. I can't remember if I wrote this but the season finale of Strange New Worlds. When Pike and Batel's daughter was bringing a friend over. My bingo card immediately went, "Lesbian." I was wrong, but it was the old Bingo card. Black person.

Not that I even have a problem with this stuff, but there's just the way it is done and shoved in where it feels like you can see the Matrix code behind the writing and direction. It's predictable.

I'm in the Kamen Rider fandom, and this happens a lot. There was one episode a few months ago that people claim had a romantic confession between two men when the wording was very vague.

Harry Kim just Xeroxes himself into infinity until he’s manning every station on the ship.

It's like that episode was written by someone who knows about the Harry Kim memes without getting the joke behind them.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Harry Kim just Xeroxes himself into infinity

No he doesn't.

All the characters in that episode are from parallel universes, including Garak. The Kims are all from different timelines, meaning Harry didn't "xerox himself"; he just ended up being one of the most common encountered people in parallel universes. It's kind of like you didn't watch the thing you're complaining about again.

 

[Curzon Dax-sama]

Why can't two guys just be good friends?

The people who write this shit have no idea how true male friendship works and on what basis it operates. They see two men who enjoy the other's presence, intelligence, skills, hobbies and what not and immediately jump to the conclusion that they're fucking. And that's all they can imagine, because they can't conceive romantic relationships either. It's all just sex, and that's it.

 

[Captain Syrup]

That's probably what holds me back from getting into B5. I heard about that resolution and just have a hard time believing it because like you said, the Shadows are just so obviously evil but then bygones are supposed to be bygones?

Yeah the war’s rushed, but I didn’t hate it. Star Trek has been yanking rabbits out of its ass since the Borg, so if you grade on that curve, Babylon 5 isn’t doing anything especially sinful.

The real choke point is all the time travel detours that just suck up oxygen. “Babylon Squared” sets up the original station getting obliterated, not Babylon 4 getting converted into a Minbari Airbnb. Then you’ve got the Centauri Prime flash-forward, where Sheridan gets catapulted into the future, sees the entire planet get shelled, and then just… forgets about it? Like he got conked on the head in a Looney Tunes short. The whole thing exists for one reason: so Londo can exposition dump about his pet parasite and how he keeps it chloroformed with booze. People forgive it because PTEN was melting down and JMS was duct-taping two seasons together at once. But that doesn’t mean it’s coherent. It’s not.

It's kind of like you didn't watch the thing you're complaining about again.

I was trying to make a point about the forever ensign. Kim's spat in from the multiverse wearing two pips like he finally got promoted. Suddenly he’s doing more jobs on the ship than he ever did on Voyager, where his entire legacy is Guy who never got promoted and sat at the engineering console. (Why was he there?)

And by the way, I wasn’t complaining about LD. I was defending it a little.

 

[William Murderface]

The thing about Harry Kim never being promoted doesn't bother me. Every single billet on a ship requires someone who is a particular rank or rate to fill it. Whatever his particular job is requires an Ensign. If he does get promoted to LTJG he needs to be moved to another position that requires an LTJG in that spot. Not to mention why should he get a promotion and no one else? Is there no one else on Voyager who has earned a promotion and not gotten one because there isn't an opening? And let's say we do start promoting folk, then what? Do we end up with every single enlistee as a Master Chief Petty Officer and ever officer a full Commander by the time Voyager gets home just from the constant promotions?

 

[Captain Syrup]

The thing about Harry Kim never being promoted doesn't bother me.

I think it’s just that, back when Voyager was still airing, every established character on every other Trek show was getting a rank bump. It’s like that thing where Mick Jagger gets knighted and everyone’s like, “What about the rest of the Stones?”

Look at the TNG cast list: it’s “Oops! All Commanders." Basically a participation trophy at this point.

 

[Screamer_2]

Isn't there some story like George Takai insisted Sulu be promoted for the Undiscovered Country or else he wouldn't be in the film? Did that just relegate him to the opening sequence? It's been too long since I've seen the film to remember if there's more of him than the captain of the Excesilor. May or may not have been a bad choice for him in the film though.

I think I've mentioned this before in relation to Harry Kim. Some friends went to a convention in Rosell (I think) that he was at. Garret was just hanging around after and they got talking. He asked them for a lift back to his hotel. The ended up just hanging out with him at a local bar getting pissed. They said he was really nice and friendly.

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[William Murderface]

The Enterprise also had 1000 crew compared to Voyagers 150 or so. That's like comparing the crews of a WW2 battleship and a WW2 destroyer. If anything, Voyager should have had a Lt. Commander as captain and no other officer above LT.

 

[William Murderface]

Isn't there some story like George Takai insisted Sulu be promoted for the Undiscovered Country or else he wouldn't be in the film? Did that just relegate him to the opening sequence? It's been too long since I've seen the film to remember if there's more of him than the captain of the Excesilor. May or may not have been a bad choice for him in the film though.

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Sulu shows up a few more times in the movie. Christian Slater even wakes Sulu up in a cameo.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

Isn't there some story like George Takai insisted Sulu be promoted for the Undiscovered Country or else he wouldn't be in the film? Did that just relegate him to the opening sequence? It's been too long since I've seen the film to remember if there's more of him than the captain of the Excesilor. May or may not have been a bad choice for him in the film though.

I think I've mentioned this before in relation to Harry Kim. Some friends went to a convention in Rosell (I think) that he was at. Garret was just hanging around after and they got talking. He asked them for a lift back to his hotel. The ended up just hanging out with him at a local bar getting pissed. They said he was really nice and friendly.

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I forget about a promotion specifically but I do recall him fighting to make it clear Sulu has a life outside of just waiting for the next time the galaxy blows up, like a family and a career

 

[Captain Syrup]

Isn't there some story like George Takai insisted Sulu be promoted for the Undiscovered Country or else he wouldn't be in the film?

Wasn’t Takei lobbying for an Excelsior spin-off to run at the same time as TNG, with himself front and center? Probably wanted to rope in a few other TOS vets, too. So his whole “make Sulu a captain" in Star Trek 6 was a failed negotiation tactic.

 

[Flexo]

Probably because they made Pike everything they (the writers) hate. You know, commanding, stern but willing to listen, intelligent, resourceful. In their mind they made Pike into the ultimate asshole. Which goes to show you exactly how fucked up the STD writers are as people, that they would look at a man acting like *gasp* a man and think "oh yah no one will like him now tee hee".

Word is that's how Lesley Headland is. That it is beyond her to a general culture in hollywood would... explain a lot.

Timestamped.

 

[Ultraman Orb Dark]

Whatever his particular job is requires an Ensign. If he does get promoted to LTJG he needs to be moved to another position that requires an LTJG in that spot. Not to mention why should he get a promotion and no one else? Is there no one else on Voyager who has earned a promotion and not gotten one because there isn't an opening?

Something I always thought could have been interesting was if Harry got promoted to Lieutenant while Tom remained an Ensign. It would shake up their friendship and possibly put Harry in a position where he'd need to pull rank to get Tom to listen to him.

Look at the TNG cast list: it’s “Oops! All Commanders." Basically a participation trophy at this point.

Don't forget how Troi was a Lieutenant Commander from the start (An entire episode outright hinged on her being the highest ranking officer on the bridge during a crisis), and halfway through Season 7, she got promoted to full-blown Commander.

The Enterprise also had 1000 crew compared to Voyagers 150 or so. That's like comparing the crews of a WW2 battleship and a WW2 destroyer. If anything, Voyager should have had a Lt. Commander as captain and no other officer above LT.

Hell, Tuvok had to pull double duty as Security Chief and Tactical Officer, the ship's doctor was a glorified first aid kit, and the closest thing they had to a science officer was a kidnapped Borg drone.

 

[Sweeter and Savoury]

I think it’s just that, back when Voyager was still airing, every established character on every other Trek show was getting a rank bump. It’s like that thing where Mick Jagger gets knighted and everyone’s like, “What about the rest of the Stones?”

Look at the TNG cast list: it’s “Oops! All Commanders." Basically a participation trophy at this point.

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meh, joking about a Navy that is 100% officers is as old as TNG is.

How does Starfleet work? With a ship of only officers, not very well.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

Something I always thought could have been interesting was if Harry got promoted to Lieutenant while Tom remained an Ensign. It would shake up their friendship and possibly put Harry in a position where he'd need to pull rank to get Tom to listen to him.

Don't forget how Troi was a Lieutenant Commander from the start (An entire episode outright hinged on her being the highest ranking officer on the bridge during a crisis), and halfway through Season 7, she got promoted to full-blown Commander.

Hell, Tuvok had to pull double duty as Security Chief and Tactical Officer, the ship's doctor was a glorified first aid kit, and the closest thing they had to a science officer was a kidnapped Borg drone.

TBF to Troi, she did have to take a test for that.

 

[Welf Welf]

Wasn’t Takei lobbying for an Excelsior spin-off to run at the same time as TNG, with himself front and center? Probably wanted to rope in a few other TOS vets, too. So his whole “make Sulu a captain" in Star Trek 6 was a failed negotiation tactic.

Yes, there's a stealth pilot in Voyager, taking the form of a flashback episode inside Tuvok's mind.

 

[Total Annihilation]

This might be the most Picard thing I've seen yet on my TNG re-watch (6x19 - Lessons):

 

[Screamer_2]

According to Avika, the various strikes made the production of s3 of SNW difficult. Says season 4 is their best season yet and will probably be more serious. All we have seen so far from s4 is a muppet of Pike.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Yes, there's a stealth pilot in Voyager, taking the form of a flashback episode inside Tuvok's mind.

Nah the stealth pilot was ST6 itself. The final shot of the Excelsior crew was a blatant cast photo for marketing purposes. The flashback episode was a consolation prize, given to takei for the trek 30th anniversary.

 

[WhatIsThePunchline]

I think it’s just that, back when Voyager was still airing, every established character on every other Trek show was getting a rank bump. It’s like that thing where Mick Jagger gets knighted and everyone’s like, “What about the rest of the Stones?”

Look at the TNG cast list: it’s “Oops! All Commanders." Basically a participation trophy at this point.

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Isn't it only Worf and Riker in that list that has a higher rank than they started with?