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Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier
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Ah shit. The friend I'm watching Star Trek with loves Jason Issacs. (in large part due to Malfoy, but unlike me, she could tell you other things he's been in) but I have no desire to watch more than the half a season I already did of STD before giving up on it... Plus, with my luck it would end up being her favorite one yet and she'd expect me to watch more. Probably best to not let her know about that casting at all...
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Well, it is one season before you tell her he isn't in it anymore. I agree that it's better not to tell her, but if she finds it on her own, you're stuck.
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Not as bad as the pooners in the later seasons. Especially that fucking Trill.
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Fucking assholes. They turned the species with the hottest women into a massive troonified shitshow. I hope they burn in hell for that.
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I considered that but it felt a lil too much like some of the various Insane Admirals previously shown in the franchise so I thought a double agent working for the Klingons for whatever reason could have some legs, but the "starts out fine but goes off the rails" direction would probably work too.
I had red squad in mind when I napkinned that shit, albeit a little more charitable of a take where its just First Officer Shaniqua who has been fast tracked due to her academy performance to a commission she ain't entirely ready for and then thrust into command rather than the whole ship being upjumped cadets in the middle of a galactic war.
Obviously its a futile endeavour trying to conceptually salvage shit like STD to be a halfway worthy entry in the franchise but I feel it is necessary to point out that something a hell of a lot less shit could have fairly easily been created using the exact same basic cast/crew/budget/lore ingredients had anyone involved given a damn
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Eccleston gotten a pass from the fans, as he was honest with them from the get go. Given the way the NuWho was turning into a dumpster fire and then spiraling ever downwards with each new season and Doctor. He was/is considered the smartest actor for bailing out after his one season and staying away from the franchise since then.It’s brilliant how Eccleston clearly did Doctor Who for the money, dipped after one season, and only came back years later for cons and Big Finish gigs after his divorce.
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There's a lot of words I could use to describe Harry Kim, but nubile certainly isn't one of them.
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Heck if it was up to me, I'd redo Voyager to Janeway being the first officer on a ship just about to take her first command when it gets pulled into the Delta quadrant and the captain is killed. Then she has to step up and learn leadership in the worst possible circumstances when she was planning on a nice, comfy job commanding a simple nova class ship in the heart of the Federation. I'd even still have Chakotay be her second in command but have him be a bit shady and acting more like a devil on her shoulder since he has experience commanding in these type of things. (Why isn't he commanding? There aren't enough maquis for him to take over as the starfleet crew wouldn't trust or follow him.)
The big problem with Voyager is that it was written by people too comfy. They had "conflict" in there like it was a studio production meeting. "Oh who's going to be in charge, Torres or Carrie?" When in a real situation it would be like, "We literally don't have the personal to spare and need every one contributing. Torres gets the deciding vote because she actually knows how to make a warp engine run off a diet coke and mentos."
Everything about Discovery makes more sense post-Voyager than prequel TOS. (yeah the mushrooms are dumb, but you could see Starfleet kind of working that possibility as a solution to a future Voyager incident)
Heck part of me wonders why Burnham had to be human at all. Why not just make her Vulcan? Or if you want to tribute Spock - make her half and half but have her more interested in her human side than being Vulcan. Then you'd at least have an excuse for her being all weepy.
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The man carried one season so hard it revived a dead show into another 20 years of airtime. He'd always have my respect for that alone, if not for his genuinely great performance as the character. He was able to do the whimsical levity and dark seriousness that the character required from the get-go, whereas his successors kinda leaned into one or the other for most of their runs with 10 being a moody emo and 11 being a borderline manchild, especially when they first started out.
Most actors have to really feel around and grow into the character whereas Eccleston was basically perfect from the jump.
His season also reflected the spirit of the classic series very well, with the stories being able to explore the various vibes that Dr Who was known for. Goofy adventures, space melodrama, thinly-veiled social commentary, bizzare episode that introduces out-of-nowhere retcons that is promptly memoryholed and never mentioned again, Daleks fucking shit up out of nowhere, the works.
For all the issues that NuWho has, that first season absolutely nailed it. I will slob on the 9th doctor's knob until the cows come home.
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I have a suggestion: stop with the asshole evil captains with dark pasts and just have normal ones like Picard or Jellico. What made Jellico a great character was that he didn't become a bad guy at the end, he was a man doing his job.
Also, let's have episodes, not one long story in one season.
I know, I know, I'm asking too much here.
Also, let's have episodes, not one long story in one season.
I know, I know, I'm asking too much here.
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Are you saying Jellico wasn't an asshole? Because even if I admit he wasn't "evil", he was definitely still an asshole.
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I don't know if I would really describe him as an asshole, honestly. He wasn't going out of his way to be abrasive, he just wasn't what the Main Character crew were used to.
Sure he was too rigid and uncompromising for Enterprise, but on literally any other vessel he'd be pretty standard and quite effective. We often forget, but for all intents and purposes Starfleet is a military, and as far as military commanders go he really isn't that bad.
Sometimes the crew has to adapt to the captain and not the other way around, especially in the short term. Picard was way too fucking lax sometimes.
Sure he was too rigid and uncompromising for Enterprise, but on literally any other vessel he'd be pretty standard and quite effective. We often forget, but for all intents and purposes Starfleet is a military, and as far as military commanders go he really isn't that bad.
Sometimes the crew has to adapt to the captain and not the other way around, especially in the short term. Picard was way too fucking lax sometimes.
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He wasn't. Riker was the asshole for being insubordinate.
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The example I always point to (and I just rewatched, along with all of TNG), his plan with the Cardies was unnecessarily stupid.
1. Reassign a big chunk of his engineers to security.
2. Make a ton of arbitrary changes to the ship and give the (now severely understaffed) engineering team minamal time to carry them out.
3. Only ever allow 3 Cardies at a time onto the ship. (Smart) but what was all the extra security for? If it was *absolutely* necessary, couldn't you at least let the nerds do their jobs first and *then* give them guns?
4. (this one is the worst) Not tell *anyone* what his actual plan was. I get making the Cardies wait around for him to show that he's the Alpha dog or whatever, but he didn't even tell his own crew what he was doing, and then he proceeded to fuck around for an hour or so in his ready room, without even telling Troi *what* he was doing, or what he expected her to do. There was no benefit to this, she wasn't even questioning him, she was just rightfully confused.
Imagine what would have happened if Troi had misunderstood and sent the Cardies into his ready room to meet him. (At least he made it a specified priority to get the fucking fish out of there >. >)
Riker literally did his job, and as the show says he should multiple times, he did so in a way that didn't undermine the captain in front of the crew. (unless you count Troi, which I don't) Riker was a bit smarmy when Jellico came crawling back to him, but I think most people would be at that point.
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The only reason Jellico wasn't more effective is because he never realized that all those changes were unnecessary when he had Spoonhead Zyklon B on board.
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Jellico's not an asshole , but he comes across that way because it's all Ronny Cox knows how to play.
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Starfleet merely survived the Borg attack due to plot armor and were about to enter a new war. They definitely needed more men like Jellico who didn't treat their starships like a fancy cruise.
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Did they really though? Sisko is at *least* as effective at dealing with the cardies as Jellico ever was, and he manages to do it without generally acting like a dick to his own crew. He isn't always nice either. He expects a lot from those under his command, but I'm 5 seasons in to DS9, and I haven't once seen him make extreme demands of the station, and then fail to give them personell to accomplish his orders, pretty sure he never expects his crew to read his mind and know what his convoluted plans are without him even telling them either... That hasn't happened yet at any rate.