Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

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Mussolini’s Merkin said:
So I am absolutely unfamiliar with Star Trek games, is there anything that comes up to KOTOR 1 and 2 in terms of being worth playing? Not meaning to sound disparaging, just those are the two really great Star Wars game I can think of.
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There's nothing really on the scale of KOTOR for Star Trek games, I'm afraid.
There's some decent Point and Click adventure with the TOS cast the featured the original cast. There's one with the TNG cast as well.

I was personally rather fond of Bridge Commander. It had really fun space combat that felt like Star Trek naval battles.

The Voyager FPS is pretty decent. There's a DS9 third person shooter that's not quite as great but they do their best. The Voyager game has the full cast (althought you need a patch for Seven of Nine's voice, the initial game doesn't have her and the VA trying to do her is terrible she's like trying to do female terminator or something I dont' get it.)
For the DS9 game they got most of the cast except the obvious ones who just couldn't give a shit about Star Trek: Avery Brooks and Colm Meaney.

The big Trek game is still Star Trek Online. When it comes to like, fan service and shoving as much VAs as they can into any story as possible it's there. I have mixed feelings about it. Honestly I fucking love the ship combat part of the game, had my own Defiant class kicking ass out there. But then you run into the away missions which is a very mid MMO fare stuff where you're basically just going through your skill cooldowns on your hot bars. The one big problem is that, which is a minor one for some but me it just killed it: Because it's a third person game all ship and starbase design have this MMO style design where corridors are massive with the ceiling being several stories above. This goes to even bridge design and whatnot. Even DS9 gets this treatment. I know they've made it better over the the years but it still looks like a blown up version of the station I love and I just... fucking... can't....
 
UnKillFill said:
My favorite part of Insurrection was easily when Worf shows up and tries to explain what the hell he's doing in this movie while he's supposed to be on DS9, and the movie just doesn't give a shit. It cut's away mid explanation and mutes him because nobody actually cares *why* he's here we're just happy to see him... Until the Klingon puberty shit that is.
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Just imagine Worf trying to explain briefly mutinying against Starfleet alongside Picard and the others.
AvonHertz said:
The thing I don't get is, the planet is huge and practically unpopulated aside from the B'aku. The federation had a big observation station that could cloak watching them. Why not build a cloaked medical facility on the opposite side? What are the B'aku going to do? Walk across the entire planet and protest? Aside from First Contact the TNG movies sucked.
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What's even dumber is Admiral Dougherty's plan. In order to harvest this lifesaving medical anomaly, the only way is to render the entire planet uninhabitable for decades. No medical research facility or hospital to set up, just take the particles and burn the planet. This is like using water from the Fountain of Youth to wash your car... and then crashing your car into the Fountain of Youth.
 
Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
And, as Dougherty put it, "I am acting under orders from the Federation Council."
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Orders that could have been as vague as "find a way to make use of this planet for the Federation". The son'a could have manipulated him into believing the destructive harvesting of the radiation was the only way to fulfil those orders, with the promise of potential immortality for him to sweeten the deal.

Ultraman Orb Dark said:
What's even dumber is Admiral Dougherty's plan. In order to harvest this lifesaving medical anomaly, the only way is to render the entire planet uninhabitable for decades. No medical research facility or hospital to set up, just take the particles and burn the planet. This is like using water from the Fountain of Youth to wash your car... and then crashing your car into the Fountain of Youth.
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Exactly. The argument Dougherty uses is that expedience requires the destructive harvesting of the planet's radiation, but it's an argument that doesn't hold water - which the plot should have conveyed better, IMO. If it's a property of the radiation around the planet, they they should be able to reproduce it. If it's a unique particle, they should be able to replicate it, or failing that, should be able to harmlessly capture it without destroying the planet. The reality is, the Son'a wanted revenge against the Baku and used the promise of immortality to manipulate Dougherty into giving them the resources to accomplish that, in exchange for something he could have gotten for free if he just moved to the planet.

The most disappointing thing about Insurrection is that there was a germ of a good TNG episode in there. The entire plot could have fit into 45 minutes with no trouble.
 
UnKillFill said:
That's all I got right now, other than... I remember Chuck (SFDebris) saying that Seven would have had better character progression if they had kept her in the Borg suit for at the very least more than just the one episode, ideally for the rest of the season. With her stupidly quick physical transformation still fresh in my mind, I have to say that I definitely agree.
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IIRC the Borg costumes (especially hers that accentuated her... features) were very uncomfortable and took a while to get into and out of. From a practical standpoint, I can see why they didn't.
 
Ultraman Orb Dark said:
Just imagine Worf trying to explain briefly mutinying against Starfleet alongside Picard and the others
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indomitable snowman said:
IIRC the Borg costumes (especially hers that accentuated her... features) were very uncomfortable and took a while to get into and out of. From a practical standpoint, I can see why they didn't.
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If I remember right, she said had to get greased up and folded into that catsuit by some wardrobe lady every day and joked that the woman knows her “way too intimately.”
 
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UnKillFill said:
I think you may be at least partially right, I vaguely remember Geordi having implants again in Nemesis... but like... if your arm gets blown off, and it grows back on the planet... (Or to a lesser extent, you were dying from a more mundane wound and the planet stabilizes and heals your life threatening injury) does your arm just fall off again the second you leave the planet?
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I think there must be limits to what the planet can do. Geordi's condition is not the same as losing an arm and he can be cured with the technology they had at the time, he just seems to be ok with being disabled. Kinda what they try to imply with him is that he doesn't feel less for not having the same type of sight we have. His character ain't there to show how good their medicine is but rather that he doesn't suffer any discrimination.

Also, their technology is quite advanced. They can replicate organs and prosthetics that work well. There is still some limitations, but they have superb quality of life for people who aren't at their best. Worf's back couldn't be treated because Klingons don't research their sick further and just let them die out of honor. I don't think they need the planet's power as much as we think they do.

Ultraman Orb Dark said:
What's even dumber is Admiral Dougherty's plan. In order to harvest this lifesaving medical anomaly, the only way is to render the entire planet uninhabitable for decades. No medical research facility or hospital to set up, just take the particles and burn the planet. This is like using water from the Fountain of Youth to wash your car... and then crashing your car into the Fountain of Youth.
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It wasn't his plan but the plan of the Sona to destroy the Baku planet out of pettiness for being kicked out. I think he was just too involved with them at the time to just walk back. Officially, Starfleet couldn't even communicate with them because they thought them a pre warp society. They couldn't risk to just settle down there and hope they wouldn't notice them.
 
Tasty Tatty said:
It wasn't his plan but the plan of the Sona to destroy the Baku planet out of pettiness for being kicked out. I think he was just too involved with them at the time to just walk back. Officially, Starfleet couldn't even communicate with them because they thought them a pre warp society. They couldn't risk to just settle down there and hope they wouldn't notice them.
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Well, until that B'aku guy opened his mouth about positronic neural networks and the lady saying that they have no desire to leave despite having warp drive.
 
Captain Syrup said:
If I remember right, she said had to get greased up and folded into that catsuit by some wardrobe lady every day and joked that the woman knows her “way too intimately.”
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Thank God that was well before e-thots sold their bathwater.
 
teriyakiburns said:
Orders that could have been as vague as "find a way to make use of this planet for the Federation". The son'a could have manipulated him into believing the destructive harvesting of the radiation was the only way to fulfil those orders, with the promise of potential immortality for him to sweeten the deal.
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It was a bit of a missed opportunity to make Dougherty a Section 31 agent. It would better justify his determination to get the planet's radiation.
teriyakiburns said:
The most disappointing thing about Insurrection is that there was a germ of a good TNG episode in there. The entire plot could have fit into 45 minutes with no trouble.
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Most of the movie is a cheap knockoff of "The Ensigns of Command", only we're supposed to side with the arrogant colonists.
teriyakiburns said:
Exactly. The argument Dougherty uses is that expedience requires the destructive harvesting of the planet's radiation, but it's an argument that doesn't hold water - which the plot should have conveyed better, IMO. If it's a property of the radiation around the planet, they they should be able to reproduce it. If it's a unique particle, they should be able to replicate it, or failing that, should be able to harmlessly capture it without destroying the planet.
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Dougherty says that the only way to harvest the planet's radiation is what the Son'a plan to do, but it's like Jor-El's message from the new Superman movie. They say one thing, but they give no other explanation other than "Take our word for it".
indomitable snowman said:
IIRC the Borg costumes (especially hers that accentuated her... features) were very uncomfortable and took a while to get into and out of. From a practical standpoint, I can see why they didn't.
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What I want to know is why the Borg let Seven keep her rack in the first place.
Captain Syrup said:
If I remember right, she said had to get greased up and folded into that catsuit by some wardrobe lady every day and joked that the woman knows her “way too intimately.”
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What I imagine Jeri Ryan did before getting into costume:
Tasty Tatty said:
Geordi's condition is not the same as losing an arm and he can be cured with the technology they had at the time, he just seems to be ok with being disabled. Kinda what they try to imply with him is that he doesn't feel less for not having the same type of sight we have. His character ain't there to show how good their medicine is but rather that he doesn't suffer any discrimination.
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An underrated Season 2 episode had a really interesting scene where Dr. Pulaski proposed a treatment to regrow Geordi's eyes. When Geordi hears this, he's overwhelmed and unsure how to answer because he's used to life with his visor. It never went anywhere, but it was a nice little moment for his character.
Curzon Dax-sama said:
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Thank God that was well before e-thots sold their bathwater.
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You say that, but if they auctioned off Jeri Ryan's used lube, UPN would have enough money to fund ten more seasons of Voyager.
 
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