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Here's a golden oldie I found

Watch Sarek rip into Spock as only a Dad who thinks his son is a failure can.
The whiplash we get a an audience, who loves and respects Spock, is awesome. This is how you do drama. No childish tantrums, no quippy one liners and no loud confrontations.

Sarek completely ignores Spock's greeting brushing past him, to the surprise of Kirk and McCoy, cuz I guess Spock never told them who his dad was, then we don't get a pay off for the action until Amanda greets Spock as son, surprising everyone.

Great stuff. Classic good writing that you just don't see anymore. Just imagine what this scene would have been like in STD and shudder in disgust.


edit: Something I forgot to add is that Kelly wasn't kidding about the Vulcan greeting. He always had a real problem doing it so his bitching isn't just in character it's for real.
 
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Tasty Tatty said:
It was Picard who had to remind them that they don't run from their problems and that it was also their duty to help Barclay to improve and become part of the group. During the scene where he mispronounces his name, he is honestly trying to encourage him to be better because that's also his job. It was like he was the only one who saw his humanity.
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Sweeter and Savoury said:
Classic good writing that you just don't see anymore. Just imagine what this scene would have been like in STD and shudder in disgust.
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One of Major Grin's best vids is the compare / contrast between new and old trek...
 
Sweeter and Savoury said:
Here's a golden oldie I found

Watch Sarek rip into Spock as only a Dad who thinks his son is a failure can.
The whiplash we get a an audience, who loves and respects Spock, is awesome. This is how you do drama. No childish tantrums, no quippy one liners and no loud confrontations.

Sarek completely ignores Spock's greeting brushing past him, to the surprise of Kirk and McCoy, cuz I guess Spock never told them who his dad was, then we don't get a pay off for the action until Amanda greets Spock as son, surprising everyone.

Great stuff. Classic good writing that you just don't see anymore. Just imagine what this scene would have been like in STD and shudder in disgust.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=5JV9WFRzi50
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And you follow that up with Star Trek III when Sarek goes to great lengths to get his son's body back in the slightest hope that his katra can be reclaimed. When asked by T'Pau if his logic is clear he says something to the effect that where his son is concerned, his logic is unclear, but Sarek is clearly emotional when it comes to Spock's death as we saw in Kirk's apartment.

And then at the end of Star Trek IV he has the heart to heart where he actually says he may have been wrong about Spock's decision to go to Starfleet instead of the Vulcan Science Academy. It's as close to an "I love you son" as we're going to get, but it's enough.
 
Commissar Fuklaw said:
Fuck me is that a real scene? Jesus christ that is vomit inducing. That is not Star Trek.
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oh my sweet brother in Trek, you just wait until Star Trek Academy hits the ether.

We have seen nothing, nothing I say that could prepare us for the cringe that is to descend on us. We thought STD was the bottom of the barrel, STA saw the bottom and said pass me the shovel.

The very first Klingon we see in the show is gay...like not even trying to hide it levels of gay. Kahless weeps for us all.
 
Commissar Fuklaw said:
Fuck me is that a real scene?
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That isn’t a Star Trek show, that is an Adult Swim sketch.

The guy who wrote it is Graham Wagner. He used to write sitcoms. And now he’s a showrunner on Fallout, which is plagued by humor and makes every scene corny AF.

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Rabo 2: Electric Boogaloo said:
There are no Jews in Star Trek
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It’s a treat when Noonien Soong pops up doing his little Dr. Light routine, Spiner finally gets to unleash his true form.

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Data’s like “I do not understand humor,” and Soong walks in like, “Oy gevalt, my boy is STILL stupid?”
 
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Ultraman Orb Dark said:
I don't think any of the modern Trek shows have even used the Ferengi that much. I think Prodigy had that one slave trader, but that's it.

You'd think with how much people love to rant about the evils of capitalism, the Ferengi would get more use.
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You forgot about Sneed.
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Sweeter and Savoury said:
The very first Klingon we see in the show is gay...like not even trying to hide it levels of gay. Kahless weeps for us all.
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I don't think him being gay is even the issue. If you tell me that Gowron sodomized Duras' bastard son just to prove a point, I'd believe it and most Klingons wouldn't mind. The guy is effeminate, that's the problem. TNG Klingons managed to find a balance between Shakespearian romantic and fearless warrior. By DS9, they're fully fleshed up, like the one telling Worf that glory is empty if it can't be shared with someone you love.

This Klingon dude looks like he would be the one sodomized by Duras' bastard son.
 
Ultraman Orb Dark said:
Ferengi
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In Master of Orion 2 (a 1996 "Civilization in space" vidya) there are the Gnolams who look sorta like a mix of goat, ork, and troll. A very capitalism-prone species like the Ferengi, they come from a low-gravity homeworld, have a "business-friendly dictatorship", and they are also somehow lucky as a species when it comes to facing random events.
 
Captain Syrup said:
TV writers operate on this iron-law belief that conflict drives drama, "twas ever thus,” as the cigarettes on Reddit love to say, but modern TV takes it to a new level where every show proudly insists these people are family while simultaneously depicting them as tarantulas who all openly hate each other.
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They don't even really understand the concept of conflict itself and how it is dramatic. That scene, with two people of different species and social mores, speaking politely and formally to each other, were definitely in conflict. It was the conflict that brought them together in the room.

It was also multilayered conflict. Data was acting against his general preferences in actually having to criticize and order someone he considers a friend. He's never been in the situation before where an officer subordinate to him expressed disrespect. Worf is in a situation where someone who has never been in authority over him annoys him and is now telling him he's wrong. That's the sort of thing a Klingon ordinarily would take as a deadly insult. It is a conflict with his own nature to admit that someone dressing him down (even in a very polite manner) is right and he was wrong.

So you have multiple levels of conflict in a fairly minimal scene with two people just talking to each other calmly and politely, but both of them display the traits that make them heroes.

nu-Trek writers seem to think that "conflict" solely consists of snarky remarks and girlboss bullshit and saying something woke. Like the whole Picard series.

Also re Jews in Star Trek, Armin Shimerman played Quark so TOTALLY JEW it was amazing. Quark is definitely a Jew, if not from halachic descent laws, just from the fact he is the ultimate Space Jew.
 
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AnOminous said:
nu-Trek writers seem to think that "conflict" solely consists of snarky remarks and girlboss bullshit and saying something woke. Like the whole Picard series.
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Critical Drinker also compared that scene with Worf and Data to NuTrek, and has observed that NuTrek writers have minds like children.
 
Rabo 2: Electric Boogaloo said:
There are no Jews in Star Trek because, obviously, we had to get rid of them to be able to actually have a working utopian society.
What do you think World War 3 was about?
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the starfleet corps of engineers books the captain is jewish and his wife's a rabbi
Sweeter and Savoury said:
edit: Something I forgot to add is that Kelly wasn't kidding about the Vulcan greeting. He always had a real problem doing it so his bitching isn't just in character it's for real.
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iirc it's a congenital thing like double-jointed or hitchhiker's thumb, either you can do it or you can't
 
AnOminous said:
He's never been in the situation before where an officer subordinate to him expressed disrespect.
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I can remember at least once when he was put in command (Redemption) and one of the officers not only didn't trust his abilities but he considered a terrible choice because he thought he wouldn't care for people's lives due to being an android.

The main difference here would be that Data saw Worf as a close friend (he asked him to take care of Spot when he was gone) and he probably considered the possibility that it would jeopardize their friendship.

The scene is still good, nevertheless. And as one comment on the video says, it give us all high expectations of what professional life should be. I earlier had to deal with someone who just back-stabbed a colleague by being a petty bitch and it sucks that people decide to act like kids in adult environments.
 
Remember when Dr Crusher was getting boned by some hot alien, who died and it turned out he had a symbiote. Only when the symbiote was put into an extra dyky looking bitch Crusher was like, nah I'm out. Gross, I ain't no carpet muncher! <paraphrasing>

Why can't we get classic trek like that anymore?
 
Tasty Tatty said:
I can remember at least once when he was put in command (Redemption) and one of the officers not only didn't trust his abilities but he considered a terrible choice because he thought he wouldn't care for people's lives due to being an android.
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I never really got that. Data is the third-highest ranking officer on Starfleet's flagship that just fought off the Borg less than a year before, and this bozo doesn't think he's qualified?
 
AnOminous said:
That's the sort of thing a Klingon ordinarily would take as a deadly insult.
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I think this speaks to an even deeper rot. Most shows struggle to even have seperate cultures within human races much less aliens ones with modern writing. The only two alien cultures that is generally allowed these days are poor misunderstood aliens acting in self defense or insane chaotic evil that would never of been able to advance beyond hunter gathers.

Something with the subtly of Klingons and it feels weird to day that likely wouldn't exist in modern shows.
 
Tasty Tatty said:
like the one telling Worf that glory is empty if it can't be shared with someone you love.
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That would be Martok, husband of Sirella.

"How hollow is the sound of victory without someone to share it with? Honour gives little comfort to a man alone in his home. And in his heart."

Ultraman Orb Dark said:
I never really got that. Data is the third-highest ranking officer on Starfleet's flagship that just fought off the Borg less than a year before, and this bozo doesn't think he's qualified?
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Reading between the lines, he was resentful that Data got command over him. He was on first-name terms with the bridge crew, which implied they'd worked together for a while, and he'd previously served as first officer in another ship (possibly the ship they were on), so it was likely his expectation that he'd take command. His "prejudice" was probably a vague mistrust that he ginned up to justify being a whiny little shit.
 
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