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I hate you both lmao

Anyway here's another STO screenie
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I think it had sovl.
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Discovery and the JJ reboots should have had this type of style. Enterprise is like almost 20 years after TNG but it doesn't look more modern or futuristic. It makes sense for Voyager to look more modern because that's the Federation after the Borg encounter which I'm sure made them all innovate their tech in many ways,

When TNG aired, the bridge of the Enterprise was meant to show us a futuristic approach of most of the tech of the late 80s, which is funny because many of the 80s tech looked like 60s TOS. The Enterprise E just removes the comfy design of the D because these are now more war-ish ships, but they still look comfortable (also, the lighting changes because they moved from tv to movies, but whatever). Discovery is just... artificial.
 
Discovery and the JJ reboots should have had this type of style. Enterprise is like almost 20 years after TNG but it doesn't look more modern or futuristic. It makes sense for Voyager to look more modern because that's the Federation after the Borg encounter which I'm sure made them all innovate their tech in many ways,

When TNG aired, the bridge of the Enterprise was meant to show us a futuristic approach of most of the tech of the late 80s, which is funny because many of the 80s tech looked like 60s TOS. The Enterprise E just removes the comfy design of the D because these are now more war-ish ships, but they still look comfortable (also, the lighting changes because they moved from tv to movies, but whatever). Discovery is just... artificial.
It looks like a post-2010 tv sci-fi show. Every post-2010 tv sci-fi show.

Which I guess every trek show has kinda had, the 60s, 80s, and 90s aesthetics of TOS, TNG and onward speaks for itself, but each of those shows still maintained that the look of the other shows also counted. When we saw the TOS era-stuff in TNG, DS9 and ENT it looked exactly like it did in the 60s.

Ffs both DS9 and ENT went out of their way to canonize something as silly as TOS Klingons looking like humans with shoepolish on their faces. They didn't need to do any of that but they did and then doubled down on it, because they actually respected the old series.

They could've just handwaved it away as "ehhhh they always looked like they do now, I just didn't have the budget" like Gene did with TMP, but they didn't.

The new shows don't give a fuck about visual continuity at all. The only new show that doesn't add random lights and holograms and JJ lensflares all over the place in eras that it doesn't fit in is fucking Lower Decks of all things. A comedy cartoon spinoff. If Enterprise has more respect for previously established continuity than you do, you have a massive issue.
 
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This post oozes verisimilitude, but what kind of lunatic puts "-ies" after a numeral?
Eurofags do that.


On topic. I’ve been watching Star Trek: The Animated Series and it always cracks me up when they do the closeup of Kirk and his hands come in, because the angles don’t match so it looks like it’s someone else’s hand.
 
The Akiraprise was a fundamental problem with the series world building. It's just too advanced looking even compared TMP era ships, and it's hard to see how TOS came from this. I do think the Drexler NX refit would have been pretty boss as the crew charged into the Romulan War.
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I heard the writers wanted to retrofit the NX-01 with ceramic armor so it looks more like the Constitution class. Has any Star Trek EVER done that? Just swapped out the ship because it was embarrassing? Also, the idea that to make it more advanced for war you have to make it look older. :suffering: The future is Formica.

ENT is just broken. You'd have to reboot the whole thing. Drop the NX-01, drop the time war guy, drop Mayweather, drop Reed, probably drop Archer too. (The writers thought about killing Bakula at one point.) Replace him with Trip as captain. At that point it's fixed.
 
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Worf did describe the Borg cutting beam as "some kind of laser beam", but yeah, the Borg tractor beam was able to disable the ships shields before carving out that circle in the saucer (one of my favorite miniature shots in TNG).

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I always loved how they just took a tiny piece of the Enterprise, as if they were saying "We've already assimilated a lot today, but we can assimilate a little more.
Mars Attacks! fucked me up as a kid. Michael J. Fox gets turned into a glowing skeleton like 20 minutes in.

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One sci-fi movie that freaked me out was Zathura, AKA, Space Jumanji.
Starfleet is small, the NX-01 is often only equal (at best) to other ships if not inferior, and the tech you see on the ship is just so early 2000s sci-fi.
I'm not a fan of Enterprise, but the set designs are where the show exels at. I love how the Enterprise is a mixture of classic Star Trek tech and modern NASA tech.
The finale was just bullshit fanfiction made by the holodeck because Geordie got his cock stuck in one of the panels.
There's an easy way to bring Jonathan Frakes back without the Holodeck nonsense: Have Chef be Riker's ancestor who looks just like him.
I just don't like the going back to Pre-kirk thing. It doesn't look like Star Trek.
Love it or hate it, Enterprise was ground zero for all the prequels in modern Star Trek, like the Abrams films, Discovery, and Strange New Worlds.
Remember when Archer let a species go extinct because the writers (through Phlox) didn't understand how evolution works?
Don't forget how that somehow led to the creation of the Prime Directive.
 
The Akiraprise was a fundamental problem with the series world building. It's just too advanced looking even compared TMP era ships, and it's hard to see how TOS came from this. I do think the Drexler NX refit would have been pretty boss as the crew charged into the Romulan War.

To be fair.... that happens IRL. The "new" thing could look older for a matter of practicality. Like, I can imagine the designers thinking the NX design was good, and future engineers realizing they need to simplify it because the looks ain't making it function as expected.

Quick search says this happened to Google Glasses. They look too futuristic and that was why people rejected them. Upcoming smart glasses look now like normal glasses to blend. Also, look at the monstrosity that is the Cybertruck. A future designer could try to make it less futuristic and ugly for the same reasons. I suppose someone told the designer of the ship that they need to have the saucer not so close to the body for some techy reason.
 
ENT is just broken. You'd have to reboot the whole thing. Drop the NX-01, drop the time war guy, drop Mayweather, drop Reed, probably drop Archer too. (The writers thought about killing Bakula at one point.) Replace him with Trip as captain. At that point it's fixed.
It helps to remember that the whole show was a mediocre historical holo-drama that Riker liked to watch when he was feeling down and needed something comfy. A 24th century version of a UPN show. It's retelling of events should be taken as apocryphal and replaced with your head canon as appropriate.

Don't forget how that somehow led to the creation of the Prime Directive.
The writing on those first two seasons was shockingly bad. Somehow even worse than early seasons of Voyager. It would get better in seasons 3-4, but man, that episode alone soured me on the whole show. So cringe and retarded that when it first aired I just stopped watching any Star Trek for several years out of disgust.
 
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I heard the writers wanted to retrofit the NX-01 with ceramic armor so it looks more like the Constitution class. Has any Star Trek EVER done that? Just swapped out the ship because it was embarrassing? Also, the idea that to make it more advanced for war you have to make it look older. :suffering: The future is Formica.

ENT is just broken. You'd have to reboot the whole thing. Drop the NX-01, drop the time war guy, drop Mayweather, drop Reed, probably drop Archer too. (The writers thought about killing Bakula at one point.) Replace him with Trip as captain. At that point it's fixed.
You ever see something that just bothers you on a fundamental level that you really don't get? Ya that's the NX refit for me, I think it's the way the saucer section looks completely out of place and way too thick for the secondary hull. I'm glad we didn't ever see that version on screen.

What I would like to have seen is the Daedalus class with the good old globe for the forward hull.
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It's shame we didn't get a Romulan war arc.
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I heard the writers wanted to retrofit the NX-01 with ceramic armor so it looks more like the Constitution class. Has any Star Trek EVER done that? Just swapped out the ship because it was embarrassing? Also, the idea that to make it more advanced for war you have to make it look older. :suffering: The future is Formica.

ENT is just broken. You'd have to reboot the whole thing. Drop the NX-01, drop the time war guy, drop Mayweather, drop Reed, probably drop Archer too. (The writers thought about killing Bakula at one point.) Replace him with Trip as captain. At that point it's fixed.
The NX-01 was a based little ship. I think the opposite. It looks fucking old. It's grey. Doesn't even have shields. TOS Enterprise is magical by comparison- there are points in TOS where they beam through a planet to get to a cave or chamber. Meanwhile the NX-01 has a transporter that barely works half the time. I think Enterprise works as is and just needed more seasons and that promised refit.
 
You ever see something that just bothers you on a fundamental level that you really don't get? Ya that's the NX refit for me, I think it's the way the saucer section looks completely out of place and way too thick for the secondary hull. I'm glad we didn't ever see that version on screen.
The saucer section had to have almost everything in it much like the Miranda class. Secondly the NX series were test beds for incorporating new concepts, technologies, and seeing how to and how not to implement them. So the ENT and others coming out looking "out of place" is something to expect. Still the NX class was eventually succeeded by the Daedalus class.
 
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One sci-fi movie that freaked me out was Zathura, AKA, Space Jumanji.
I didn't know this until kinda recently, but Jumanji and Zathura are actually in the same universe. The movies dropped the connection for some reason but in the books both board games exist simultaneously.

In the beginning of Zathura they find the Jumanji box first but the older brother thinks it looks gay so they pick Zathura instead.

ENT gets rinsed by VOY on its best day.

I'm with @Phillip Green, it was just a catastrophic combo of bad writing and leads who were so miscast, it felt comedic.

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ENT was taken behind the shed and shot in the back of the head just as it was getting good, that's the shitty part. If it was just season 1-level bad all the way through then whatever it's just a shit show, no great loss, but they capped it right as it was starting to show its potential and become good.

The refit looks sick, the Romulan War is a cool time period to explore, and T'Pol and Trip were finally fuckin'. It was all right there, man. The writing was finally catching up.

It was all starting to really fall into place, the studio should've just trvsted the plan.

 
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