Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

[Fatsuit Shinji]

Scott Bakula in particular just wasn't fit for a character like Archer. At times, he came off as either a poor man's Captain Kirk or a poor man's Colonel O'Neill.

Bakula's acting in Enterprise was salvagable in universe. As "they have chosen poorly" when Archer was selected to be the new captain for NX-Enterprise.

The NX refit has some good ideas, but it feels very unnatural and messy. Double struts plus a neck section? The ship is a tangle of struts.

Excusable as the refit is literally the first one they've done. With the extra struts almost certainly there as redundancies. In real life the development of carriers, including CV-6 Enterprise, in hindsight had a lot of questionable initial design decisions. Which were later rectified in refits and later carrier classes like the Essex.

 

[Rabo 2: Electric Boogaloo]

See now he just makes me sad.

When crusty old man Harrison Ford and Mark Hamill came back to do the Star Wars sequel movies I could dismiss it as just grandpa needing drinking money or whatever. Lame and depressing in it's own way sure, but at least they could still act like the characters to a convincing degree. Patrick Stewart just looks and sounds... frail. He reminds me of Stan Lee near the end of his life when he was being dragged to signings and conventions while he was actively dying.

It's actually depressing to see him act in Picard because he's so obviously too old to be doing shit like this anymore. You can just hear how unenthusiastic and off he sounds now. He doesn't sound like Picard at all anymore, there's no sophistication to the writing or strength to the performance, he just sounds like senile Patrick Stewart reading bad lines.

Aye, I think that's the hardest part of watching Picard. Stewart is simply unable to act like Picard anymore. Every line is delivered in laboriously weak wispy tone. Long gone is the gravitas and class that Captain Jean-Luc Picard held himself with. All we have is a tired old man, unable to relive his past glory. Hell, the fucker won't even wear an uniform. That was literally his first condition to come back.

 

[Gay Sex Enjoyer]

So I was logging in to star trek online this morning to claim todays christmas giveaway item and I noticed something.... interesting to say the least. There was a splash screen reminding everybody of the new additions to the winter wonderland store. Specifically, a new seasonal sweater with shall we say an interesting name. The login was fast enough that I wasn't sure that I read it correctly, so I went back to the news page on the site to double check any mention of this shirt and sure enough, cryptic done fucked up:
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Note the shirt the andorian is wearing and the name. Magical Mellanoid. Cryptic, a company famous for being filled with left wing loonies to the point there have been multiple incidents with staff that would have gotten a person fired in any normal company, decided to name their new festive christmas sweater after a racial slur. One that should have been easy to catch and blatantly obvious. Guess what came up when I was googling the particular shirt in question

and of course they had to call it a magical mellanoid sweater of all things, just to ironically double down and include another famous racial slur about the whole magical negro thing everybody reees about when they see

So, you heard it here first, in sto you can spend your holiday season wearing a festive magical negro sweater, courtesy of Q and the good folks at cryptic. Thats some great PR you're going to have there when somebody realizes it

>It's real

Aye, I think that's the hardest part of watching Picard. Stewart is simply unable to act like Picard anymore. Every line is delivered in laboriously weak wispy tone. Long gone is the gravitas and class that Captain Jean-Luc Picard held himself with. All we have is a tired old man, unable to relive his past glory. Hell, the fucker won't even wear an uniform. That was literally his first condition to come back.

As I said before, Shatner could come back and do an audiobook as Kirk tomorrow and could still deliver. The man is 94 and he still looks and sounds like he's in his late 60s.


Bill is a decade older than Stewart

 

[WelperHelper99]

TOS reruns were always playing at my house growing up, but I never got into Trek until I saw Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan on VHS and I was hooked from there. So that's my safest recommendation, to start there and watch the remaining movies. You can skip movies 1 and 5 if you want.

Star Trek V is the low budget camping episode with some oddly touching moments about death, and of course lines like "what does God need with a starship?"

I cannot hate this movie.

 

[Flexo]

This is something I feel is straight up missing from so much sci-fi media now; just competent, well-trained people being professional. Too many stories in sci-fi settings these days, across various mediums feature crews of professional scientists, space explorers and military personnel who all speak to each other like characters from a Millennial sitcom about their feelings and cracking "that just happened!" style quips. Plus emotional moments on the bridge where supposed professionals start cry-whispering for no reason.

You know... I've been thinking about this stuff... Especially ever since I saw this video:

TL;DR - a bunch of people flew into Egypt and then thought they would be able to cross the border into Gaza to do performance art things, only to realize they apparently never bothered to contact any authorities or make any arrangements. So they were forced to resort to kneeling before unmoving guards begging them to let them through.

It's theater-kid logic. "I can always drama my way out of any situation. Just beg and plead hard enough and things will bend to my desires."

This does NOT work in Sci-Fi because straight up the Universe don't play that way. The sun don't care. The vacuum of space don't care. All your begging and pleading won't do a damn thing to alter the laws of physics and prevent your little tin can holding in all the shit you need to live from flying apart if the slightest thing goes wrong. It's what makes the best sci-fi works so memorable, they are the ultimate Man vs Nature story.

No, it's all got to be theater-kid logic nowadays. We can save the day if we make people feel things hard enough.

(This was probably my biggest issue with second season of Andor. It just wants to go all in on these big speeches and "moving" people with "words" but by far the most effective segments of the whole show are when people are actually doing things. Forget the speeches, shoot a meatbag!)

I personally blame this on the Guardians of the Galaxy movies. Yes, they're all great, but so many modern sci-fi properties are taking notes from the films when the whole point was that the Guardians weren't a professional team of explorers like the crew of the Enterprise.

Firefly too - but then it was ALSO supposed to be a show about a bunch of amateurs.

 

[Gay Sex Enjoyer]

Star Trek V is the low budget camping episode with some oddly touching moments about death, and of course lines like "what does God need with a starship?"

Bones facing his dying father and Kirk's "I NEED my pain." are highlights for me.

5s biggest problem is that it's sandwiched inbetween 4 and 6. Star Trek 4 is an incredibly fun time-travel adventure that hits all the right beats, and 6 is one of the best star trek movies ever made.

 

[Flexo]

Yeah, I loved Married with Children but that gag never ever made sense to me. Why wouldn't you want to have sex with your hot wife?

If Al won't, Philip J Fry will....

they could reroute the positrons through the phase inverters

Get it right, sir.

It's bounce a graviton particle beam off the main deflector dish.

 

[Gay Sex Enjoyer]

If you would please consult the graphs

 

[ToroidalBoat]

IRL, this solar system alone has an ice-covered ocean world, another where water-ice is the rock and methane the water, another ice-covered ocean world with big geysers ...

It'd be cool if there were more pre-JJ Star Trek episodes where away team goes to environments that aren't class M worlds or the like.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Bones facing his dying father and Kirk's "I NEED my pain." are highlights for me.

5s biggest problem is that it's sandwiched inbetween 4 and 6. Star Trek 4 is an incredibly fun time-travel adventure that hits all the right beats, and 6 is one of the best star trek movies ever made.

Completely. 5's placement fucking kills it. On its own its a fun adventure with good moments, if not being very cheesy. 4 and 6 are just better and it gets overlooked a lot of the time because of that.

As for 6, The Undiscovered Country was the best send-off for the TOS cast, the best they could have asked for. The Klingon Empire falls/ is dimminished greatly, and you get to see all the fallout from it. It's a great political thriller, better than it has any right to be.

 

[Flexo]

The only series that kinda gave me that feeling was Marvel Agents of SHIELD, but it quickly turned into big foozle plot of the season and I kinda got disinterested. I know so many people swear by Stargate but I dunno. Anything that's too sci fi I have the same problem which is "Well, this is good, but it's not Star Trek."

But seriously, just go straight to the Stargate time loop episode. I think it's a pretty good way to compare it vs Cause and Effect - both will really give you a sense of how SG1 is different from ST.

I mean I love trek, but SG1 is a nice change of pace sometimes. Plus you can play a drinking game of all the Trek actors that show up. (I think the only show that had more was Gargoyles.)

 

[Travoltron]

5s biggest problem is that it's sandwiched inbetween 4 and 6. Star Trek 4 is an incredibly fun time-travel adventure that hits all the right beats, and 6 is one of the best star trek movies ever made.

Well, that and the atrocious, Playstation 2-level special effects. I've seen fans make incredible things, but I don't understand why nobody has made a fan edit that fixes the horrible FX.

 

[Gay Sex Enjoyer]

Well, that and the atrocious, Playstation 2-level special effects. I've seen fans make incredible things, but I don't understand why nobody has made a fan edit that fixes the horrible FX.

That was because of budget cuts funnily enough. ILM was busy with other projects and the big-wigs told Shatner that they would need to use a cheaper FX studio. It uh... shows.

5's production was simply a nightmare all the way through. Studio meddling, lower budget, writers strikes, teamster strikes, a camera truck fucking exploded. It's a miracle it got made at all.

Shatner is like George Lucas, he's a great ideas guy but not really a great execution guy. It was also his first movie in the head honcho chair so he chose to shoot it sequentially instead of allocating the budget with the big scenes first, so by the time they reached the big finale at the end of the movie they ran out of what little money they had left.

 

[Travoltron]

That was because of budget cuts funnily enough. ILM was busy with other projects and the big-wigs told Shatner that they would need to use a cheaper FX studio. It uh... shows.

5's production was simply a nightmare all the way through. Studio meddling, lower budget, writers strikes, teamster strikes, a camera truck fucking exploded. It's a miracle it got made at all. Shatner is like George Lucas, he's an great ideas guy but not really a great execution guy.

Roddenberry was a pain in the ass too. At the Seattle Museum of Pop Culture, they have a letter from Roddenberry to Shatner and the producers bitching about every little thing. I remember he used the odd phrase "balls-dangling" at one point. He hated the whole premise, hypocritically, as he tried and failed to produce his own "search for God" script.

 

[Gay Sex Enjoyer]

According to Bill the original ending of 5 was going to be this huge cool special effect spectacle with firebreathing reanimated rock golems and stuff. He just didn't know how to allocate the funds correctly so they reused a bunch of footage and bad greenscreening to have the God dude shoot Aftereffects lightning out of his eyes and get shot in the face by a Bird of Prey lmao.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

If Al won't, Philip J Fry will....

Woooo!

 

[Dragged Into Sunlight]

By the end of DS9 I always ended up thinking the Bajorans had it coming. What an irritating group of people.

Kira even at the end was still seething about her mother being a collaborator even after seeing first hand how she was forced into it and it enabled Kira to live. What a bitch,

 

[Cnut]

Well, that and the atrocious, Playstation 2-level special effects. I've seen fans make incredible things, but I don't understand why nobody has made a fan edit that fixes the horrible FX.

I saw a fan edit that that had great CGI this but also did shit like turning the "space junk" the klingons blast into r2-d2 and having some blink-and-miss-it Baby Cthulus on the god planet. Someone can make a better middle ground and probably already did

Eta it was probably https://startrekbtb.wordpress.com/ "Beyond the Barrier" there's a mega dl link somewhere at the site

 

[Gay Sex Enjoyer]

Who's the sza guy with zero posts neg reacting everything?

 

[WonderWino]

That was because of budget cuts funnily enough. ILM was busy with other projects and the big-wigs told Shatner that they would need to use a cheaper FX studio. It uh... shows.

5's production was simply a nightmare all the way through. Studio meddling, lower budget, writers strikes, teamster strikes, a camera truck fucking exploded. It's a miracle it got made at all.

Shatner is like George Lucas, he's a great ideas guy but not really a great execution guy. It was also his first movie in the head honcho chair so he chose to shoot it sequentially instead of allocating the budget with the big scenes first, so by the time they reached the big finale at the end of the movie they ran out of what little money they had left.

I'm not so sure i'd consider shatner a great ideas guy. He did come up with tekwar after all

During the production of star trek 5 I might add, which probably didn't help his work on the film any