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Mussolini’s Merkin said:
I had no idea and now I am slightly disappointed in JMS.
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This happens to every artist who peaked in the eighties. Red Dwarf is just one long midlife crisis where one guy leaves and the other's like, “No, no, I can finish this alone,” and then he absolutely cannot. Then Grant comes back and nerds are crying, like troops coming home from Vietnam. For five minutes. Until he opens his mouth. This is an old man who needs attention. The interviewer’s like, “Would you ever do a Red Dwarf anime?” and Grant’s like, “Uh… Annie May? Yeah, sure, we’re developing it.”
Cheerlead-in-Chief said:
Oh, I need to like, link some stuff from DeviantArt
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teriyakiburns said:
To be fair to him, the network supremely fucked him over last time. He wants another shot at telling the story with the full arc intact.
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The overall story arc was definitely impacted by Michael O'Hare developing full-fledged Schizophrenia during the filming of Season 1, and the quasi canceling that rushed the story at the end of the main arc. It's actually pretty amazing what he pulled off in Season 4 before the move to TBS and subsequent death of the franchise.

However, as much as a B5-like show would benefit from the shorter seasons and the longer narrative arcs of modern streaming shows, Straczynski's control freak nature and inability to play nice with network management will always make it a long shot.

And let's be honest, the JMS shitlibery was bad enough in the 90's, and hasn't aged well since. Just one example that pops into my head is the Joe McCarthy's commie hunting metaphor for Nightwatch, which struck me even then as pure boomer cringe. And his decades since of deconstructing comic book heroes for a declining audience of Gen-X redditers hasn't improved his storytelling ability.

I can't imagine the amount of insufferable faggotry he'd inject into a reboot for "modern audiences". I mean, for Christ's sake, his only real TV credit since Crusade is the tranny show Sense8 he did with the Warchowski "sisters". All I see coming from a new B5 is Nu-Trek with spin gravity and "orange man bad" dialogue between lesbians getting prostate exams in medbay.
 
teriyakiburns said:
My god, I can't tell which is which!
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His squat routine must be insane.
Phillip Green said:
The overall story arc was definitely impacted by Michael O'Hare developing full-fledged Schizophrenia
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From a purely autismo perspective, if you actually follow the version of the plan he had before half the cast was written out of the show, it’s a different animal. Neroon blows up Babylon 5 outright, the surviving crew regroups on Babylon 4, Tamlyn Tomita sticks around long enough to shoot Garibaldi, Lyta or Talia (functionally the same character) joins Byron's rebels, Ivanova gets stuck in this bind between her feelings for Talia and her obligation to the station. (Which is where all the modern gay angst would get funneled.)

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All of which is to say: on paper, it sounds compelling.
 
Phillip Green said:
I can't imagine the amount of insufferable faggotry he'd inject into a reboot for "modern audiences". I mean, for Christ's sake, his only real TV credit since Crusade is the tranny show Sense8 he did with the Warchowski "sisters". All I see coming from a new B5 is Nu-Trek with spin gravity and "orange man bad" dialogue between lesbians getting prostate exams in medbay.
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Which is exactly why it should never ever be allowed to happen. It does suck how he was fucked over but that time has come and gone. Even a continuation would suck since half the main cast is dead.

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Our age is past. This... belongs to the younger races now. They have learned to stand on their own. They have learned... to understand. Time to let them go"
 
Watching DS9 again and am reminded how fucking weird Avery Brook's acting is in the first couple seasons. I watched a different thing with him in it and he was like the complete opposite of Sisko. Was Sisko supposed to be seen as kind of a weirdo? Seriously he talks to people like he has autism, the difference in delivery between him and Jake is noticeable
 
Platonic Ideal said:
Watching DS9 again and am reminded how fucking weird Avery Brook's acting is in the first couple seasons. I watched a different thing with him in it and he was like the complete opposite of Sisko. Was Sisko supposed to be seen as kind of a weirdo? Seriously he talks to people like he has autism, the difference in delivery between him and Jake is noticeable
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Apparently he deliberately delivered it like a jazz singer for artistic reasons.
 
Platonic Ideal said:
Watching DS9 again and am reminded how fucking weird Avery Brook's acting is in the first couple seasons. I watched a different thing with him in it and he was like the complete opposite of Sisko. Was Sisko supposed to be seen as kind of a weirdo?
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Avery is just… weird, right? He’s one of those guys where if you give him a shit script, he’s like, “Cool, I’ll stand here and look vaguely awake.”

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Like that episode "Fascination" where the crew gets horny, it's "The Naked Time" redux (again) and Dax is dry-humping him. He just stands there embarrassed.

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I liked him as a psychic Mad King in "Dramatis Personae", just completely unbothered by everything except his shitty homemade clock. The guy can deliver, but it takes him forever to get invested. By the end of season two he kinda redeems himself.
 
Platonic Ideal said:
Watching DS9 again and am reminded how fucking weird Avery Brook's acting is in the first couple seasons. I watched a different thing with him in it and he was like the complete opposite of Sisko. Was Sisko supposed to be seen as kind of a weirdo? Seriously he talks to people like he has autism, the difference in delivery between him and Jake is noticeable
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Come on, I like my Sisko somewhat unhinged. The dude was there when his wife got killed, nearly lost his son the same time, got his ship blown up, lost a lot of friend serving on other ships that same day and could do nothing to stop either. That's ontop of his old mentor and friend getting himself fucked to death a couple months prior. Then, two years later, he has a five minute talk with the man he thinks was responsible for most of that shit. Further more, the angry flying brick he has been building since that time to cope with all of that bullshit has been put into storage, because the Federation is run by a bunch of pussies.
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Before he knows it, Sisko has to run a Bumfuck, Nowhere-spacestation for a bunch of ungrateful religious zealots and space terrorists, which is further complicated by those ridgenoses thinking he's their space-Jesus. Which technically he is, but he has not patience for that crap (who would?). 95% of all people would go batshit insane due to all of those factors.
 
Chunky Salsa said:
Apparently he deliberately delivered it like a jazz singer for artistic reasons.
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He’s pausing for two seconds between words like he’s loading dialogue.
gaysexenjoyer said:
Tbf that's also his elderly male mentor who, up until like 6 months ago, was basically space Bill Clinton.

Perfectly reasonable reaction from Sisko.
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With Sisko and Dax it’s like, come on man. They’re doing that thing where the writers are like “what if… 👀” and then never commit. Except once, when they’re like “OK, they fuck but it’s in the Nothing Matters Universe."

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TV romances all suck. Everyone knows this. You just tolerate them like commercials for prescription drugs. But Star Trek romances are even worse because by the end of the episode it’s erased like a fucking Etch A Sketch.

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Curzon Dax-sama said:
Nah. He's deciding whether to kick you in the balls, the teeth, break your arms, legs, spine - or do all of that. What he'll do all depends on what you say next.
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I do miss when Trek captains walked in and immediately planted a flag, Picard’s first move is, “Why are there kids here? Who brought their dumbass son onto my bridge?” Janeway says something polite and then explains, “By that I mean get the fuck out of my face.” Sisko is the funniest though because he’s like, “Orb-licker, you snitch on me to Starfleet one more time and I’ll tear you a new asshole."

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I was thinking about "Yesterday's Enterprise" recently. I know that despite the time alteration, they had to keep a lot of things on the Enterprise similar for the sake of familiarity to the audience. But there's no way that the Galaxy-class ship as we know it would exist in a timeline where the Federation has been at war for over 20 years. They would have ditched the sleek luxury cruiser in favor of a massive gunship that would let the Klingons know that they weren't fucking around. Also, there definitely wouldn't be a bar and lounge on the ship, but you need to have Guinan on board to notice the time distortion. Maybe she's a military advisor or something.
 
Captain Syrup said:
He’s pausing for two seconds between words like he’s loading dialogue.

With Sisko and Dax it’s like, come on man. They’re doing that thing where the writers are like “what if… 👀” and then never commit. Except once, when they’re like “OK, they fuck but it’s in the Nothing Matters Universe."

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Kira and Odo were great because he's a beta male (pretending to be a sigma male) and she's a beta female.
 
Preferred Penne said:
I was thinking about "Yesterday's Enterprise" recently. I know that despite the time alteration, they had to keep a lot of things on the Enterprise similar for the sake of familiarity to the audience. But there's no way that the Galaxy-class ship as we know it would exist in a timeline where the Federation has been at war for over 20 years. They would have ditched the sleek luxury cruiser in favor of a massive gunship that would let the Klingons know that they weren't fucking around. Also, there definitely wouldn't be a bar and lounge on the ship, but you need to have Guinan on board to notice the time distortion. Maybe she's a military advisor or something.
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What?! They'd definitely be a bar on the ship. How else are soldiers going to blow off steam?
 
Galaxy class even it in their peace time "luxury cruiser" guise was still one of the most heavily armed and capable ship classes in the (Beta and Alpha) Quadrant. It wouldn't be until the Enterprise-D's encounter with the Borg. Then later the Odyssey's destruction by the Dominion was the Galaxy's place as top dog was shaken. As seen in DS9, (War) Galaxies are very capable of taking the fight to the enemy. If there is one weakness, it is the Galaxy using the older modulation system of using swipable internal modules. Instead of the newer external module system i.e. mission pods that is used with the Nebula and newer ship classes.
 
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