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Sweeter and Savoury said:
more of the hell that is ST:A

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That black fat retard woman, not that one but the other (lmao that star trek now has two black fat retard women), she's supposed to be the Data, right? The synthetic being that doesn't know interactions... which makes me wonder, is this how they see Data? A retarded child?

Because Data never stopped acting like an adult. His case is like if someone sends me to China and I spend the first days having awkward interactions with people due to cultural differences, it doesn't mean I'm gonna regress to behave like a toddler with negative IQ. Tasha mentions he had the innocence of a child, but that's due to his ability to awe at new things and learn, which made him endearing, not because he lacked social skills. He probably didn't know how each human exchange worked, but at least he knew how to greet someone.

I hate modern trek, truly...
 
Captain Manning said:
Fun fact: That episode didn't develop the way it was supposed to. They were supposed to be lizard people, and somehow they turned into Africans. Not sure why. Maybe they didn't want to pay for the makeup effects.

It's probably one of the worst episodes of TNG. If not the absolute worst. Which is saying a lot, because season one was mostly dogshit in general.
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By the way, the person who wrote the black people planet episode has passed away recently. Article (Gateworld, since she wrote the same episode on SG-1)
 
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Miller said:
By the way, the writer who wrote the black people planet episode has passed away recently. Article (Gateworld, since she wrote the same episode on SG-1)
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RIP.

Though again, it's not really her fault. She and one other writer did it up as lizard people, and then the director (Russ Mayberry) came in and said "nah, let's just make 'em all black people."

Supposedly, Roddenberry fired Mayberry for that.

It probably still would have been a dumb episode as initially envisioned, but no more dumb than anything else in season one.
 
Captain Manning said:
RIP.

Though again, it's not really her fault. She and one other writer did it up as lizard people, and then the director (Russ Mayberry) came in and said "nah, let's just make 'em all black people."

Supposedly, Roddenberry fired Mayberry for that.

It probably still would have been a dumb episode as initially envisioned, but no more dumb than anything else in season one.
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Lizard people means a lot of crappy rubber suits with muppet mouths everywhere and very expensive given the detail they need to be at to not look as crappy. So instead of a bad repurposed TOS script, it'd be a schlocky repurposed TOS script.
 
Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
Lizard people means a lot of crappy rubber suits with muppet mouths everywhere and very expensive given the detail they need to be at to not look as crappy. So instead of a bad repurposed TOS script, it'd be a schlocky repurposed TOS script.
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Season one of TNG is like, “What if TOS, but everyone’s on antidepressants," it’s the same episodes, just evil computers and what if a woman was tall and mad at men again. In the ’60s that ruled because Kirk was like, “I will fight or fuck my way out of this situation,” but in TNG Picard has no sex appeal.

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Captain Syrup said:
Season one of TNG is like, “What if TOS, but everyone’s on antidepressants," it’s the same episodes, just evil computers and what if a woman was tall and mad at men again. In the ’60s that ruled because Kirk was like, “I will fight or fuck my way out of this situation,” but in TNG Picard has no sex appeal.

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Angel One was more of a Riker episode, but yes.
 
Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
Angel One was more of a Riker episode, but yes.
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Fair, I was mostly thinking about "The Naked Now", where Riker, for once, is the uncharacteristically sober adult while Picard is nearly prepared to treat the ready room like a Motel 6 mattress.

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And then, even after that, they keep promising Picard is the romantic lead. You get episodes like "Captain’s Holiday" which did Vash no favors, "Q-pid", which was embarrassing for everyone involved and "The Perfect Mate", which is probably the best of the bunch but still needed pheromones, psychic bonding, and routine diplomatic incompetence to sell Picard as this interstellar sex god.

This is one of the rare moments where I agree with @AnOminous that Lwaxana was a better addition, not because she's sexy, but because it pokes fun at the chick-magnet space captain fantasy.
 
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Captain Syrup said:
Fair, I was mostly thinking about "The Naked Now", where Riker, for once, is the uncharacteristically sober adult while Picard is nearly prepared to treat the ready room like a Motel 6 mattress.
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Look, that's one of the worst episodes of the show, but Season 1 Dr. Crusher (before the later season clown makeup) could absolutely get it. No one would have blamed the uptight Frenchman after she unzipped the uniform a little while giving him the eyes. Also in that episode we learned Denise Crosby had a very taut mid-riff, and that Data was fully functional. So it had a few things going for it.

Captain Syrup said:
You get episodes like "Captain’s Holiday" which did Vash no favors
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This episode was really the start of the push to make Picard a "modern" (in mid-90's terms) leading man, complete with fight scenes and love interests. To a large degree, this was largely at Stewarts insistence, whose ego was bored playing the calm diplomat.

This would culminate in the TNG movie "Action Man Jean-Luc", where he yells a lot, drives dune buggies, jumps off shit, and punches Borg in the dick while shooting tommy guns.

The whole character of Vash was even more creatively bankrupt. She was only there because Stewart was dating the actress Jennifer Hetrick (their affair broke up Stewart's first marriage) and he wanted her involved in the show. After they broke up sometime after Season 4, she was no longer on the show (although her DS9 guest stop may have post-dated the relationship, so producers apparently didn't hate her).

Captain Syrup said:
This is one of the rare moments where I agree with @AnOminous that Lwaxana was a better addition, not because she's sexy, but because it pokes fun at the chick-magnet space captain fantasy.
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It's less a matter of poking fun at the Kirk stereotype, and more an inversion where stuffy Captain No-Fun has no defense against her aggressive flirting, teasing, disregard for his authority. She was annoying, but succeeded as a character because her needling was so successful at getting the stoic Picard blushing, much to the amusement of viewers.
 
Look, that's one of the worst episodes of the show, but Season 1 Dr. Crusher (before the later season clown makeup) could absolutely get it.
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Even when I was a kid I was like, why does every space show have a “hardass no-nonsense woman” who looks like she’s one commercial away from singing "I Lost My Heart to a Starship Trooper"?

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Some budget department's like, “We can’t afford more lizard suits, what if the alien culture is just 'kidnapping white ladies'?” and the makeup guy's like, “Cool, but we do have three hours to contour this lieutenant.”
 
Mussolini’s Merkin said:
You meet the only other Starfleet vessel in the quadrant, one that got screwed over far worse than your own ship, one that had to make incredibly touch choices to survive, and you feed like the to literal (space) sharks because of a directive that you have seem are more of a suggestion yourself. Drives me crazy.
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Ahem...
  • Caretaker: Ordered the destruction of the Array and interfering with the development of a pre-warp civilization.
  • False Profits: Sent Neelix in to foil a Ferengi scheme and interfered with the development of another pre-warp civilization.
  • Scorpion: Made an alliance with the Borg to defeat another race, thereby shaking up the power balance in the Delta Quadrant.
  • The Killing Game: Gave the Hirogen holodeck technology to use for themselves.
  • The Omega Directive: (kinda cheating here) Followed a Starfleet order that literally supersedes the Prime Directive, outright stealing from a pre-warp civilization.
  • Demon: Interfered with a pre-warp species by letting them mimic the ship and crew.
  • Counterpoint: Smuggled telepathic refugees through hostile space, interfering with another race's politics.
Granted, I'm being generous by not referencing episodes set after "Equinox" or violations of the Temporal Prime Directive, and I probably forgot a few myself, but my point still stands.
Dragged Into Sunlight said:
I've got so,e bad news. Picardo is back as the EMH in Academy. They're still using him 900 years ago for some reason.
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They can still salvage it if the Doctor's first scene is him needing to download 900 years worth of updates.
Mussolini’s Merkin said:
It was a massive mistake by the Voyager writers not incorporating the Maquis more. You've got a bunch of guerilla fighters as part of your ship and you suddenly find yourself behind enemy lines and away from any kind of supply, what a great set up to see how a Star Fleet crew would adapt and overcome. They take this idea and do precisely nothing with it.
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I'd say part of the issue was the fact that there were no Cardassians in the Delta Quadrant
Dragged Into Sunlight said:
Chain of Command shows how in reality Star Fleet and the Federation would get their asses kicked constantly if they had such a pacifist attitude.
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Don't forget "Peak Performance", where Riker whined about taking part in a war game.
Captain Syrup said:
Smashing that self-destruct button like it’s a Dunkin’ rewards app. Didn’t SF Debris have that bit where she self-destructs so often it’s practically a sewer level counter?
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I think there was also a bit where she said she activates the self-destruct sequence to get her coffee faster.
William Murderface said:
The thing is Picard is completely in the wrong over Hugh. They are at war. It sucks that Hugh would have to die or whatever if the fractal trap works, but how many ships has Picard blown up over the years that had crewman who didn't want involved in their national politics but just happened to be the wrong species or wear the wrong uniform?
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Starfleet seemed to agree, judging how the bigwigs viewed Picard by "Descent" and First Contact.
Captain Syrup said:
Between "Caretaker" and S01E02, someone at Paramount clearly shit their pants. Fan are like, “Well actually Neelix is a mythological constant, like Tom Bombadil.” ☝️🤓 It's like dude, he’s just a guy with bad hair who won’t leave.
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Maybe they were worried Neelix would just be a cheap copy of Quark?
 
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