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Journey's End writers: "Heh humanity has evolved beyond those dumb superstitious religions like Christianity and nobody cares about those beliefs anymore but these Native American superstitions are accepted as completely real and we have the upmost reverence for them."
To play devil’s advocate (and I've already spoken about this) Star Trek never actually talked about religion. It just lectured you about breaking the Prime Directive. Every time "religion" shows up it’s like, “Oops, we beamed down to this bronze age planet and now these villagers think the Enterprise-D is Jehova."

True, the Native Americans on VOY were magic, incense-store bullshit. Native Americans on TV are never like, “Here’s a retro but kinda interesting belief system & social structure,” it’s always, “The eagle has whispered..." and portals opening to other dimensions.

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Eh, it was a fad. VOY chasing non-specific pop culture trends, as Trek often does.
 
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Funny how all of them were "don't shame my body" or "stop commenting on my looks" or "I'm above all of that" until Ozempic came along and now they all look great.
 
Naomi Wildman sub-unit of Ensign Samantha Wildman, infinite torpedoes, salamander sex, Neelix pushing that leola root stew.
Janeway murdering the shit out of Tuvix
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Sometimes I wonder if janeway would be more beloved if Tuvix never happened. She’d still be giving the finger to Starfleet protocol, still giving inanimate carbon rod promotions before Kim even gets one. But Tuvix… that’s when it went dark. Nobody would trust that bitch, ever.
 
Journey's End writers: "Heh humanity has evolved beyond those dumb superstitious religions like Christianity and nobody cares about those beliefs anymore but these Native American superstitions are accepted as completely real and we have the upmost reverence for them."
"...Until the next show, where we get a mexican to play our token injun, and hire on a fraudulent White jew on to make up random spiritual-sounding shit as our 'injun consultant'. They're all the same anyway." (Based AF btw Voyager)
 
Funny how all of them were "don't shame my body" or "stop commenting on my looks" or "I'm above all of that" until Ozempic came along and now they all look great.
Once STD ended she probably didn't need to LARP as a body positivity and bisexual woman to keep her job anymore.

Journey's End writers: "Heh humanity has evolved beyond those dumb superstitious religions like Christianity and nobody cares about those beliefs anymore but these Native American superstitions are accepted as completely real and we have the upmost reverence for them."
I think "religion bad" is more of an early TNG thing than Star Trek in general.
 
I think "religion bad" is more of an early TNG thing than Star Trek in general.
I seem to remember a TOS episode where they were helping out persecuted "sun" worshippers and in the end it turned out they were Christians from another planet (Uhura said something like "it's not 'Sun', it's 'son of God'").

Just looked it up and the episode is called "Bread and Circuses".
 
She's 40 years old. Due to the years of being fat, she looks much older. "She's looking good for someone in their early 50s" kind of vibe like Nicole Kidman before she fucked her face with too much work.


This is her 4 years ago.
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Her face has been living inside a memory-foam casing for ten years.

Hence the “deflated” look you see on My 600-lb Life patients, not because they suddenly aged overnight, but because gravity kicks in on the loose skin.
 
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I seem to remember a TOS episode where they were helping out persecuted "sun" worshippers and in the end it turned out they were Christians from another planet (Uhura said something like "it's not 'Sun', it's 'son of God'").

Just looked it up and the episode is called "Bread and Circuses".
there's a few other odds and ends, like the one with Apollo, Kirk telling him mankind no longer needs gods there's an aside (which tbf reeks of added in a later draft) of "we find The One sufficient" or whatever it is
iirc there's a mixed prot/cat wedding which would have been a bit of an eyebrow raiser for the time
 
True, the Native Americans on VOY were magic, incense-store bullshit. Native Americans on TV are never like, “Here’s a retro but kinda interesting belief system & social structure,” it’s always, “The eagle has whispered..." and portals opening to other dimensions.

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Eh, it was a fad. VOY chasing non-specific pop culture trends, as Trek often does.
Power Rangers did the same thing around that time, and it was just as cringy.
Sometimes I wonder if janeway would be more beloved if Tuvix never happened. She’d still be giving the finger to Starfleet protocol, still giving inanimate carbon rod promotions before Kim even gets one. But Tuvix… that’s when it went dark. Nobody would trust that bitch, ever.
Hypothetically, couldn't they just bring along a bunch of the MacGuffin flowers and regularly fuse Neelix and Tuvok together instead of axing Tuvix?
I think "religion bad" is more of an early TNG thing than Star Trek in general.
Early TNG in general loved having the characters talk about how much better they were than those idiots from the 20th century.
It's very much a Gene Roddenberry thing. The guy believed than humanity would eventually have no need for religion.

So, yeah, basically.
I never got that view, and I'm not even a religious person. There are reality-warping aliens throughout the galaxy, but a man in the sky isn't real?
 
Early TNG in general loved having the characters talk about how much better they were than those idiots from the 20th century.
As much as I like the episode The Neutral Zone, I hated Picard's "we've grown out of our infancy" line.

She looks like she should be haunting a Victorian mansion.
or a Cardassian with that neck.
 
As much as I like the episode The Neutral Zone, I hated Picard's "we've grown out of our infancy" line.


or a Cardassian with that neck.
I hate the whole TNG attitude of "humanity has made it" when Kirk was just 80 years earlier and even he acknowledged humanity still had a long way to go but we were trying and that was enough.
 
Power Rangers did the same thing around that time, and it was just as cringy.
Power Rangers actually gets a pass for me, because they met complaints of, "You made the black ranger black and the yellow ranger yellow" with, "Oh by the way, this guy who's been here the whole time, you thought was just a white guy- but we just made him the red ranger, and in the very same story, he also finds out that he's an indian, complete with the stereotypical indian bullshit story (even though the actor was absolutely *not* an indian.)
 
I never got that view, and I'm not even a religious person. There are reality-warping aliens throughout the galaxy, but a man in the sky isn't real?
I don't think Gene could figure how a way to make the different religions play nice with each other, so he simply decreed them no longer relevant, and everybody is a "secular humanist" like he was.

It's the same thing with the abolition of money. How the hell did they manage that? Nobody knows.
 
Power Rangers actually gets a pass for me, because they met complaints of, "You made the black ranger black and the yellow ranger yellow" with, "Oh by the way, this guy who's been here the whole time, you thought was just a white guy- but we just made him the red ranger, and in the very same story, he also finds out that he's an indian, complete with the stereotypical indian bullshit story (even though the actor was absolutely *not* an indian.)
It is also power rangers, everyone has ancient magic in power rangers
 
To play devil’s advocate (and I've already spoken about this) Star Trek never actually talked about religion. It just lectured you about breaking the Prime Directive. Every time "religion" shows up it’s like, “Oops, we beamed down to this bronze age planet and now these villagers think the Enterprise-D is Jehova."

True, the Native Americans on VOY were magic, incense-store bullshit. Native Americans on TV are never like, “Here’s a retro but kinda interesting belief system & social structure,” it’s always, “The eagle has whispered..." and portals opening to other dimensions.

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Eh, it was a fad. VOY chasing non-specific pop culture trends, as Trek often does.
The American Indian Movement was a popular cause du jour in lefty Hollywood for about 3 months in 1973. It was to the point were Marlon Brando famously hijacked the Oscar ceremony to boycott his award (for The Godfather) and instead had some Indian chick give a speech about Hollywood racism or something.

Rodenberry fully bought in to this fad, and remained obsessed with the movement long after everyone else had moved on. This is evidenced by TMP, where you can see a several background enterprise crewmembers in full stereotypical head dresses and face paint.

The TNG production team seemed to have merged this general sentiment with the "Indians are way spiritual and tuned into the environment bro" noble savage ideals that replaced religion for a good chunk of lefties in the 90's. So while traditional religion is bad, smoke lodges and hallucinatory drugs are progressive and enlightened.

Hence the garbage TNG episode where the wise Indians chastise Picard because his ancestors were puttering around in France when Americans fenced the western tribes into reservations and fed them firewater. And he's somehow even more evil now for wanting to relocate them to prevent the Cardassians from wiping them out for good this time.

The best part of this is that major sections of the AIM was just plainly fraudulent. For example, that woman giving Brando's protest speech was really half white / half Mexican, with no tribal affiliation at all. On topic, Voyager's producers brought on the famous consultant Jamake Highwater, a Cherokee, to help guide Chakotay's character development. Unfortunately for all involved, it turned out Highwater's real name was actually Jackie Marks. He was not a Cherokee. He was not an Indian. He was a 100% full blooded Ashkenazi Jew who watched too many westerns in the 1950's.

Literally everything about Native spirituality in Voyager was fake, being based solely on the fetishization of Indians by white LA shitlibs. This makes the character of Chakotay somehow more racist than that TNG Season 1 episode on the planet of the Africans, where Tasha Yar has to knife-fight the big boss lady on a jungle gym to get her bicycle back.
 
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