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Honka Honka Burning Love said:
It is also power rangers, everyone has ancient magic in power rangers
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It would’ve been boss if they just let Chakotay be Chicano. I’m pretty sure Beltran would’ve been way happier during his run. Maybe they thought having two Latinos was redundant?

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I don’t know, I’m too smart/not missing enough chromosomes to parse VOY's thought process. They had this character named “Constance Goodheart” or something, basically a woman whose entire dialogue is screaming at Captain Proton, so clearly they were aware of industry cliches, and yet they gave Janeway a Tonto sidekick? TOS is just Wagon Train, so referencing a western means VOY belonged in the same league?

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Even at the time I thought Chakotay was super racist. His unspecified culture seemed like total nonsense to me, and I was just a high school kid at the time. It didn't resemble any Native American culture that I was aware of.
They treated him like an alien species. A noble savage race just like Worf.

I also thought it was bizarre that they made that awful TNG episode to set up the Indian Reservation Planet for the Chakotay character. Then they forgot all about that and never used that origin in Voyager and made him from Earth.
 
Phillip Green said:
Hence the garbage TNG episode where the wise Indians chastise Picard because his ancestors were puttering around in France when Americans fenced the western tribes into reservations and fed them firewater. And he's somehow even more evil now for wanting to relocate them to prevent the Cardassians from wiping them out for good this time.
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"Javier Maribona Picard."

That should have been Picard dismissing that dude's claim right then and there. Frenchmen are not Spaniards.
 
Starting Voyager. I'd be pissed if I was Neelix. The Viridians just sucked his lungs out and Janeway was going to just let them go. Take them back, bitch. That's an unforgivable act of cruelty.
 
Travoltron said:
I also thought it was bizarre that they made that awful TNG episode to set up the Indian Reservation Planet for the Chakotay character. Then they forgot all about that and never used that origin in Voyager and made him from Earth.
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Chakotay is the funniest character because his backstory is like Mad Libs. It’s just whatever the writer needed that week. He went to Starfleet Academy? O’Brien is the only one who’s like, “I’m just some Irish guy they froze and woke up in space.”

Chakotay’s like, “Actually I’m a renegade.” For what reason? Shut up. For reasons. Something about the Maquis. And then (this is my favorite part), he casually drops that he’s a boxing nerd. The peaceful Indian Monk is suddenly like, “Yeah I love watching two guys beat each other to death." First of all, how did boxing survive World War III and TV didn't? And why does it exist in space? Second of all, why is he into it? "I loved watching Space Mayweather fight Gul Bigdick at the Battle of the Neutral Zone". HOLD ON...was that a real Cardassian Gul? Or was that just his ring name? Like Sgt. Slaughter? Did the writers just assume “Gul” is the Cardassian equivalent of “Mister"?

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Any one of these things, fine, whatever, it’s throwaway dialog, you don’t have to think too hard about it. But stacked together, none of it connects. He’s a Starfleet grad, a freedom fighter, a shaman, and now an ESPN+ host.
Dragged Into Sunlight said:
Starting Voyager. I'd be pissed if I was Neelix. The Viridians just sucked his lungs out and Janeway was going to just let them go. Take them back, bitch. That's an unforgivable act of cruelty.
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I suspect the Vidiians were supposed to be the main "Borg" equivalent on VOY. Season one they’re like, “yeah, we steal your lungs and wear your face,” Just stealing kidneys like Albanian doctors? It's the only time VOY feels like it might actually be about being stranded. Like, “ohh shit, there are consequences out here.”

And then by season three they’re just like, “uhhh actually the Phage is cured.” Just cured! I think it’s literally George Costanza in space who saves them.

I'm not at all surprised they dropped it. They must have realized, oh wait, organ harvesting plague monsters? That's too dark.

Personally I prefer having Seven of Nine's vacuum-sealed ass. (Although I'm still not sure about Seven playing nanny to a bunch of Borg grade schoolers).

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Dragged Into Sunlight said:
Starting Voyager. I'd be pissed if I was Neelix. The Viridians just sucked his lungs out and Janeway was going to just let them go. Take them back, bitch. That's an unforgivable act of cruelty.
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Unfortunately, Janeway was unaware of an old Talaxian proverb: Never piss off someone who can spit in your coffee.
Captain Syrup said:
First of all, how did boxing survive World War III and TV didn't? And why does it exist in space?
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I mentioned this in an earlier post, but one episode (Latent Image) had Chakotay and Janeway talk about sumo wrestling matches.
Captain Syrup said:
I suspect the Vidiians were supposed to be the main "Borg" like equivalent on VOY. Season one they’re like, “yeah, we steal your lungs and wear your face,” Just stealing kidneys like Albanian doctors? It's the only time VOY feels like it might actually be about being stranded. Like, “ohh shit, there are consequences out here.”
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I really don't get why the Vidiians weren't the main enemy race instead of the Kazon. They actually seemed like a threat and a good foil to Voyager's crew.
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I know what you meant, but Travis in a boxing match was too funny of a mental image not to comment on.
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Who's that rando? He's probably never even been to space before.
 
Phillip Green said:
The TNG production team seemed to have merged this general sentiment with the "Indians are way spiritual and tuned into the environment bro" noble savage ideals that replaced religion for a good chunk of lefties in the 90's. So while traditional religion is bad, smoke lodges and hallucinatory drugs are progressive and enlightened.
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The hippies started hanging out with the Hopi doing Peyote and shrooms. That was what spread most of the myths and brought the Native stuff to Hollywood. For some reason they assume every tribe is like the Hopi, where high old people talk about the spirits. Like Joe Rogan talking about the machine elves while on DMT.
 
The first reviews for Star Fleet Academy are out and oof, it's looking we've got an Acolyte situation. I can't fucking wait to watch this disaster.
 
Fatsuit Shinji said:
It was indeed George Costanza and his group of unique[/ispoiler] individuals who something, something the cure for the Phage.
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I'll give it a pass, he’s a Trekkie. But that wig...it’s not ‘alien prosthetics,’ it’s ‘you lost a bet.’

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He sucks as a villain, too, remember when he was on Criminal Minds?
 
Ultraman Orb Dark said:
I mentioned this in an earlier post, but one episode (Latent Image) had Chakotay and Janeway talk about sumo wrestling matches.
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Liberal writing. Western traditions and culture are bad and were left behind. Foreign ones like Keiko's Japanese predelictions or Chakotay's woo-woo Indian trappings are good and survived.
 
Captain Syrup said:
Chakotay is the funniest character because his backstory is like Mad Libs. It’s just whatever the writer needed that week. He went to Starfleet Academy? O’Brien is the only one who’s like, “I’m just some Irish guy they froze and woke up in space.”
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Wasted potential was essentially Voyager's brand, with Rick Berman's worst traits allowed to run rampant. Lazy writing ruined a lot of potentially good character development, but the writers just plain ignored Cmdr Peyote, giving him nothing to do aside from incoherent Injun fake spirituality.

I have a soft spot for ol' Bobby Beltran, and have sympathy for how pissed off he was at the showrunners. Chakotay could have been a cool character (and I agree would have been better as just a competent, if rebellious, Chicano). Utterly wasted, and the whole Seven romance they shoehorned in near the end was just fucking gross.

Captain Syrup said:
I'll give it a pass, he’s a Trekkie. But that wig...it’s not ‘alien prosthetics,’ it’s ‘you lost a bet.’
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I can understand the shit guest role The Rock was given on the show, he's just a lunkhead who UPN wanted to cross-promote. But Jason Alexander was a lifelong trek fan, and all they gave him was a poorly written ass-head alien villain of the week. At least the King of Jordan got to wear a Starfleet uniform on his guest spot.
 
Captain Syrup said:
I mean, come on, this thing smells like cancellation. Kurtzman’s name is stamped on it like a herpes sore.

"Relax, we've got a couple of STD refugees.... And Bob Picardo? " The idea that Robert Picardo is some kind of seal of quality is a grave mistake. The fact that Bob is out here comparing himself to Yoda in interviews is honestly alarming.

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Captain Syrup said:
Hyperbolic nonsense. If by “foreign” you mean “a universe where Kirk casually reads the Constitution to aliens" and Picard is quoting Shakespeare plays and Roman emperors.
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Those cavemen have really soft brains considering Spock could telepath one of them from a distance. Also, those cavemen had fantastic hair. Look at the body on that old guy's hair.
 
Dragged Into Sunlight said:
Liberal writing. Western traditions and culture are bad and were left behind. Foreign ones like Keiko's Japanese predelictions or Chakotay's woo-woo Indian trappings are good and survived.
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Dude, the Federation is just America without money and with fewer stupid people. Every human on the show except for Seven was American and had lifestyles and backgrounds easily recognizable to Americans today. Tom Paris had a boomer's obsession with Americana. Even Bellana had a Puerto Rican dad.
 
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