Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

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Stardust said:
In my opinion, some of the best scenes in Star Trek are when the cast talk - with each other or to their foes. New Trek can look as glossy as it wants to, cater to a younger demographic, but it seems to almost always fail when it comes to what - again, in my opinion - makes Star Trek: conversation. Not just random dialogue, but actual conversation. New Trek is either not capable of providing stimulating conversation or it doesn't think most of the audience wants that. The first shows a lack of talent, the second shows a lack of respect.
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I blame the lack of character actors in Hollywood. A lot of what made those scenes work is guest stars giving good stage performances. Now I look at modern day actors and they cannot command the stage like these old actors can. Which is why an A list actor today is 50+ years old, not 30.

Good performances in no particular order:

Now, we're at "I think I swallowed my combadge."
 
Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
I blame the lack of character actors in Hollywood. A lot of what made those scenes work is guest stars giving good stage performances. Now I look at modern day actors and they cannot command the stage like these old actors can. Which is why an A list actor today is 50+ years old, not 30.

Good performances in no particular order:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=k8AaLFuGLlchttps://youtube.com/watch?v=1Yc7WSCGXhMhttps://youtube.com/watch?v=E4qcaVehCyYhttps://youtube.com/watch?v=w6S9HnNGik4
Now, we're at "I think I swallowed my combadge."
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This is by and far the pinnacle of Shatner's dramatic chops. Nimoy got such a good performance out of Bill in this movie. I think about it all the time.

Using DS9 clips is almost cheating. There's so many episodes with standout performances. Nog's big speech in It's Only A Paper Moon legitimately makes me tear up.
 
FatMebius said:

This is by and far the pinnacle of Shatner's dramatic chops. Nimoy got such a good performance out of Bill in this movie. I think about it all the time.

Using DS9 clips is almost cheating. There's so many episodes with standout performances. Nog's big speech in It's Only A Paper Moon legitimately makes me tear up.
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That's not the only standout Nog scene.
One of my favorite DS9 episodes for Nog's incredible character development.
 
Cactuar King said:
Why is this thing so weird and socially inept? The Doctor wasn't, the community of hologram people from early DS9 weren't, so why is this one such a sped?
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Because it's meant to appeal to the, erm, archetypal millenial that's all quirky, and awkwardly cute.

They are not, though. If you're a normal human being, they look to you exactly how this retard fatso looks like.
 
FatMebius said:

This is by and far the pinnacle of Shatner's dramatic chops. Nimoy got such a good performance out of Bill in this movie. I think about it all the time.

Using DS9 clips is almost cheating. There's so many episodes with standout performances. Nog's big speech in It's Only A Paper Moon legitimately makes me tear up.
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I know everyone says the odd-numbered Star Treks suck, but III was just a kick in the teeth for Kirk. He sacrifices his career, his ship, and his son just in the off chance that there's a possibility to recover Spock's soul (he doesn't know about the aging at this point or even if Spock can be rejoined) and Shatner sells it.

There has been nothing like that scene in any of the TNG to now Treks.
 
Cactuar King said:
I'm surprised it's not the other fat retard who's not trying to eat pebbles.

Why is this thing so weird and socially inept? The Doctor wasn't, the community of hologram people from early DS9 weren't, so why is this one such a sped?
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I really really hate that they took one of the most retarded ideas from Voyager and ran with it: that holograms count as a lifeforms. It was shown multiple times that all you had to do to make the Doctor into a monster was delete his ethical subroutines and he would happily torture and kill his friends.

Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
I blame the lack of character actors in Hollywood. A lot of what made those scenes work is guest stars giving good stage performances. Now I look at modern day actors and they cannot command the stage like these old actors can. Which is why an A list actor today is 50+ years old, not 30.

Good performances in no particular order:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=k8AaLFuGLlchttps://youtube.com/watch?v=1Yc7WSCGXhMhttps://youtube.com/watch?v=E4qcaVehCyYhttps://youtube.com/watch?v=w6S9HnNGik4
Now, we're at "I think I swallowed my combadge."
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Because that's all boring white people dialogue. You've got to appeal to modern audiences now which means you need lots of quips, slang, swear words, and simple dialogue that's easy to understand while you've got it on in the background while you browse tiktok.
 
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Preferred Penne said:
Going back to another "time alteration" episode:

In "Tapestry", Picard changes his past to avoid getting stabbed and fitted with an artificial heart, but as a result of his lack of motivation, he ends up as a low-grade officer doing menial tasks well into his middle age. Just like in "Yesterday's Enterprise", the setting is the same for the sake of familiarity, and to drive home the fact that Picard is still on the Enterprise, but it's no longer his ship.

I would have taken it one step further and given him an even more boring job.
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Holodeck jizz mopper.
 
Pedophobe said:
It's always great when they get someone like Carel Struycken or Ron Perlman who can play a freaky alien without any prosthetics.
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Poor Brian Thomson.:story:
Dragged Into Sunlight said:
I really really hate that they took one of the most retarded ideas from Voyager and ran with it: that holograms count as a lifeforms. It was shown multiple times that all you had to do to make the Doctor into a monster was delete his ethical subroutines and he would happily torture and kill his friends.
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VOY has this thing where every time the Doctor says “hey, maybe holograms have rights,” the AI immediately turns insanely evil. Every time. No exceptions. "This hologram toilet-cleaner deserves dignity,” and the janitor’s like, “The only way to truly clean the ship is to murder the crew.” 1000113384.png



The missile one is the best. “This missile has feelings,” and the missile’s like, “I yearn to glass a planet.” Interesting inner life there.

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And the Hirogen holograms...remember that? The Doctor defects, commits mutiny, to help his fellow artificial beings, and then their leader is a psycho general.

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It’s so funny because it’s always framed like "Measure of a Man", right? VOY's solution to robot ethics is always just, “Don’t worry, turns out the robot was evil and shit.”
 
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Captain Syrup said:
VOY has this thing where every time the Doctor says “hey, maybe holograms have rights,” the AI immediately turns insanely evil. Every time. No exceptions. "This hologram toilet-cleaner deserves dignity,” and the janitor’s like, “The only way to truly clean the ship is to murder the crew.”
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My favorite is the episode where he write lurid Patrick S. Tomlinson-tier fanfiction about Voyager, featuring Jatheryn Kaneway and Pom Taris, etc.
 
So I decided to look at the wikipedia entry for the academy series and laughed pretty hard when I noticed not only is it locked to prevent anybody editing anything but the review section says this:
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Imagine writing that with a straight face. The series is getting fucking roasted by everybody and whatever troon or DEI mod they have making sure nobody mentions that, is clearly being disingenuous and trying to promote a blatantly dishonest view of just how badly this series has been received

Funny there is no mention of the youtube debacle either

Also, did anybody notice that stephen colbert does the voice for the dean of students? Why am I not fucking surprised. Just the cherry on the shit sundae that this series needed
 
Captain Syrup said:
The missile one is the best. “This missile has feelings,” and the missile’s like, “I yearn to glass a planet.” Interesting inner life there.
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I don't disagree with you but to be fair to the missile that is the kind of feelings you would want a warhead to have. It would be kinda cruel to program a love of life into it.
 
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My favorite is the episode where he write lurid Patrick S. Tomlinson-tier fanfiction about Voyager, featuring Jatheryn Kaneway and Pom Taris, etc.
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And then in his fantasy, everyone else has to carry around a mobile emitter the size of a washing machine. :story:

Compare that to Vic Fontaine. Imagine Vic makes a protest song called "Ain’t That a Kick in the Dick" complaining about endlessly pounding women and martinis, stuck in this tragic loop! I guess in the Doctor's version you’d be constantly groped by land whales, and every time you held the mic, it’d be red-hot and give you electric shocks.
 
Dragged Into Sunlight said:
I really really hate that they took one of the most retarded ideas from Voyager and ran with it: that holograms count as a lifeforms. It was shown multiple times that all you had to do to make the Doctor into a monster was delete his ethical subroutines and he would happily torture and kill his friends.
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Although, to be fair, you can do that with human beings as well. Brainwash or apply the right kind of training or leverage and you can get even the most normal of people to do unspeakable things. Turning Data or the EMH into a stone killer who delights in pain isn't any harder to do than it is to turn a normie into a death camp guard.
 
Miller said:
and also in ENT when the MACOs joined the crew of the NX-01, the rivalry was treated in a responsible manner.
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The MACOs are the prime example of how you can have two branches of the service in the same spot having their low-level rivalry, but still work together professionally and learn from each other when SHTF. But we can't have that in the current year+11 anymore.
 
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