Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

[Sayer of the N-Word]

What I don't get is how this led to the warp drive rule in the Prime Directive when warp drive technology had nothing to do with the conflict. Yes, the Valakians asked a hesitant Archer for warp technology to use themselves, but after a single conversation between Archer and T'Pol, that gets dropped in favor of the evolution crap. Afterwards, it's just "Yeah we found a cure, but we don't feel like giving it to them and think they should fix the problem themselves".

That was a really jarring example of prequel writers feeling the need to explain things that didn't need to be addressed. The Prime Directive can't just be a law that was written after some debate about the merits of interference, there has to be a singular dramatic event that can be shown to viewers in 44 minutes. It had to have real stakes as well, you can't have something like A Piece of the Action where interference caused huge changes but which were not catastrophic.

 

[Dragged Into Sunlight]

After rewatching almost all of the original serieses over the past few months, I've come to the conclusion that Vulcans suck. They're all lying about not feeling emotion. Tuvok is obviously annoyed constantly despite his claims to the contrary. It seems like even the writers are confused on if Vulcans feel no emotions or just suppress it. Not to mention the fact that dealing with someone without emotion would be extremely unpleasant. Or maybe this is all influenced by just how fucking awful an actor Jolene Blalock was as Tpol.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

I don't understand why Kurtzman and his team felt the need to make the classic Star Trek aliens look so ugly. Then again that shit is everywhere in the production, even the frame is always busy, full of unnecessary stuff.

Despite the nightmarish functionality of the design, the USS Athena looks fine. Like, if I were to create a starship for Sailor Moon, it'd look like that because SM is fantasy and magic, not sci-fi.

With that being said, they can create pretty things. They just don't want to. Their ideology blinds them into have a limited taste. They could have made that Jem/Klingon attractive, but they wouldn't be able to cast a fat black woman in the role and they needed one and not make any negative comments on her looks.

After rewatching almost all of the original serieses over the past few months, I've come to the conclusion that Vulcans suck. They're all lying about not feeling emotion. Tuvok is obviously annoyed constantly despite his claims to the contrary. It seems like even the writers are confused on if Vulcans feel no emotions or just suppress it. Not to mention the fact that dealing with someone without emotion would be extremely unpleasant. Or maybe this is all influenced by just how fucking awful an actor Jolene Blalock was as Tpol.

They do feel emotion, they just suppress emotions with very hard discipline. But, biologically speaking, they're as able to feel the same emotions we all feel. I remember someone telling Data he's everything Vulcans aspire to be, and that's because he lacks the ability to actually have feelings.

They totally can feel arrogant, though. They don't know the logic on white lies, unless some might have trained on how to deal with humans and their emotions and why is wise to not being so blunt. There you have a million dollar idea for a Ferengi and a school of human emotions on Vulcan.

 

[Captain Syrup]

Or maybe this is all influenced by just how fucking awful an actor Jolene Blalock was as Tpol.

She had a tricky assignment and she treated it with as much seriousness as one reasonably can when you’re playing a big titty alien in Lululemon.

I truly do not care whether Jolene is “a Trekkie” or not. Fans always sell themselves cheaply when it comes to that stuff.



The thing is, ENT was statistically one of the least-loved Treks. Which means the fans are demented. The fewer of them there are, the louder they get, so you tend to see "Jolene is the best Vulcan since Nimoy" thrown around a lot.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

Despite the nightmarish functionality of the design, the USS Athena looks fine. Like, if I were to create a starship for Sailor Moon, it'd look like that because SM is fantasy and magic, not sci-fi.

With that being said, they can create pretty things. They just don't want to. Their ideology blinds them into have a limited taste. They could have made that Jem/Klingon attractive, but they wouldn't be able to cast a fat black woman in the role and they needed one and not make any negative comments on her looks.

The ship is the least bad thing about the show. I saw about ten minutes of the first episode (my dad insisted and I did insist he watch Star Trek: Beyond) before giving up when I concluded it was Star Trek 09 with less charismatic actors. I can't even say understudies. It does waste the actors it has because Holly Hunter could be good in a show like Star Trek: JAG where she's a judge adjudicating current events (not to be confused with CURRENT YEAR), but she's this quirky, unprofessional schoolteacher instead. You know, a completely different show where she plays a completely different character. Even Fem'Hadar could have been a good Amanda Waller, but she's in this show instead.

 

[CervixHammer]

Instagram teaser for the next SFA episode. I guess The Burn is a convenient way to ignore the part where the Klingons joined the Federation in the 28th (?) century, but I'd expect after almost a thousand years of contact between the Klingons and the Federation, Klingons would have mellowed on the "we won't take your honorless Starfleet charity" and let Feddies jump-start a crashed ship or whatever's going on here.

I can finally say something nice about the ship: the (inner) saucer separation is kinda neat.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

This shows how untalented and uninspired is their creativity. The tng klingon plot was a civil war after the death of their leader, plus political shenanigans and a discussion of what honor truly is. Like, the only honorable klingon was Worf, who sacrificed his name to preserve peace of his world and go make lesser men look honorable. DS9 went further with this theme.

NuTrek plot is "what if they all are about to die?"

 

[Ultraman Orb Dark]

Final or close-enough-to-final concept art for the USS Starfleet Academy Athena:

Credit where credit is due, Athena is a pretty cool name. Up there with Defiant for me.

That was a really jarring example of prequel writers feeling the need to explain things that didn't need to be addressed.

Still not even the worst instance of this in Enterprise alone. Funnily enough, it also involved Phlox.

The Prime Directive can't just be a law that was written after some debate about the merits of interference, there has to be a singular dramatic event that can be shown to viewers in 44 minutes. It had to have real stakes as well, you can't have something like A Piece of the Action where interference caused huge changes but which were not catastrophic.

If it was at least a case where the crew's interference only made things worse (maybe the cure ended up creating an even deadlier disease), it'd be understandable, but all they do is withhold a cure, do nothing, and pat themselves on the back. It's basically that one Sailor Moon meme.

I guess The Burn is a convenient way to ignore the part where the Klingons joined the Federation in the 28th (?) century, but I'd expect after almost a thousand years of contact between the Klingons and the Federation, Klingons would have mellowed on the "we won't take your honorless Starfleet charity" and let Feddies jump-start a crashed ship or whatever's going on here.

Didn't this already happen towards the end of the TOS era? Been a while since I've seen Undiscovered Country, but I'm pretty sure a catastrophe like space Chernobyl was what made the Empire forge an alliance with the Federation.

This shows how untalented and uninspired is their creativity. The tng klingon plot was a civil war after the death of their leader, plus political shenanigans and a discussion of what honor truly is. Like, the only honorable klingon was Worf, who sacrificed his name to preserve peace of his world and go make lesser men look honorable. DS9 went further with this theme.

NuTrek plot is "what if they all are about to die?"

How modern Star Trek sees Klingons:

 

[Rykel22]

Didn't this already happen towards the end of the TOS era? Been a while since I've seen Undiscovered Country, but I'm pretty sure a catastrophe like space Chernobyl was what made the Empire forge an alliance with the Federation.

Yes, the Klingon moon, Praxis, blew up, which began to fuck up the atmosphere of Qo'noS. The Empire reached to the Feds to cool tensions down so they could deal with that. I'm fairly sure the Klingons were still somewhat neutral with the Feds until the Enterprise C went down protecting the Klingon colony of Narendra III from the Romulans.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

Yes, the Klingon moon, Praxis, blew up, which began to fuck up the atmosphere of Qo'noS. The Empire reached to the Feds to cool tensions down so they could deal with that. I'm fairly sure the Klingons were still somewhat neutral with the Feds until the Enterprise C went down protecting the Klingon colony of Narendra III from the Romulans.

It also didn't mean that all warp travel became impossible like with The Burn.

 

[Gan Ying]

"Jolene is the best Vulcan since Nimoy" thrown around a lot.

I mean, her only actual competition is Tuvok. Basically every Vulcan that showed up in TNG and DS9 was an asshole, a terrorist, a murderer, or a secret Romulan. Saavik in the movies is fine but she doesn't even have the same actor between appearances. I think I prefer Tuvok, but I wouldn't think someone is crazy for saying T'pol is second best out of three actual characters. Unless we're counting Sarek.

 

[Commissar Fuklaw]

Vulcans have always been cringe and gay and I'm tired of pretending they're not.

 

[los pepes]

After rewatching almost all of the original serieses over the past few months, I've come to the conclusion that Vulcans suck. They're all lying about not feeling emotion. Tuvok is obviously annoyed constantly despite his claims to the contrary. It seems like even the writers are confused on if Vulcans feel no emotions or just suppress it. Not to mention the fact that dealing with someone without emotion would be extremely unpleasant. Or maybe this is all influenced by just how fucking awful an actor Jolene Blalock was as Tpol.

They definitely suppress it as opposed to not having it at all. In fact the best Vulcans are the ones that are able to show themselves suppressing their emotions with just enough of a hint to seep through, as opposed to the actors that try to play it completely emotionless and just end up looking like soulless robots.

Blalock failed as a Vulcan imo because she really did neither, she just acted angry all the time as opposed to someone like Tuvok whose default was usually to display the right amount of curious perplexion during his interactions with everyone but Neelix, to whom he visibly had to put in overdrive his efforts to suppress his desire to ritualistically murder.

 

[Mr. Racewar1488]

Vulcans have always been cringe and gay and I'm tired of pretending they're not.

Romulans are the superior Vulcans: they embrace their emotions and probably fuck more than once every seven years.

 

[Cactuar King]

The autists at tv tropes are being similarly shielding it too.

Barely any entries, and the ones that mention the flak had to add, "Oh, but the critics like it and some of the fans do!" Fuckin' pathetic that they need to run defense for this.

Aaaaaaand they've since removed the "Fanon Discontinuity" one. Because God forbid some people not like this absolute dreck. I mean, Holly Hunter spazzing out at the cadets while she wears goofy pajamas, so funny, amirite?

 

[Sayer of the N-Word]

Aaaaaaand they've since removed the "Fanon Discontinuity" one. Because God forbid some people not like this absolute dreck. I mean, Holly Hunter spazzing out at the cadets while she wears goofy pajamas, so funny, amirite?
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Live action exocomps? The bootleg R2D2s that were so cheaply made that they had to float around with fishing wire because there was zero articulation? They're really scraping the bottom of the barrel, aren't they?

 

[Captain Syrup]

I mean, her only actual competition is Tuvok.

What a sorry state of affairs.

Aaaaaaand they've since removed the "Fanon Discontinuity" one.

YMMV is a joke, it should have been phased out along with Fetish Fuel.

Trivia and YMMV tabs are quietly laundered of wrongthink, and if you try to put it back, you’re in a war of attrition with jannies who respond with "there are plenty of other places on the internet for negativity". And they can always yank examples for "inciting flame wars" if they want to, anyway.

 

[Clown College 2nd Year]

@Ultraman Orb Dark can't quote your post but I will go to bat slightly for the Klingon augment virus episode 'cause it has both James Avery and John Shuck hamming it up and chewing the scenery. To return for a moment to the prime directive I always thought the cogenitor episode was way better as a morality tale about interfering with other species then the Flox genocide one.

 

[Captain Syrup]

@Ultraman Orb Dark can't quote your post but I will go to bat slightly for the Klingon augment virus episode 'cause it has both James Avery and John Shuck hamming it up and chewing the scenery.

Imagine if we had like a smooth-headed Klingon in "Broken Bow"? I might’ve been into it.

But they drop the virus bullshit out of nowhere. It’s so late in the series, and the explanation is dumb as shit. Even the ride-or-die ENT fans bailed.

And what’s with Klingons appearing in the pilot, again in season two, and then they're gone until late season 4? It’s like the klingons exist, but also they don’t exist.

They should have been at the table for the Federation stuff, not some Vulcan prick going “yeah humans were gonna turn into klingons eventually so we let florida blow up, idk"

Vulcans have always been cringe and gay and I'm tired of pretending they're not.

 

[Mr. Zed da Robot Poon Fed]

Imagine bothering to make a female Jem'hadar hybrid only to have her be a dyke...

And this is where creativity goes to die.

You know the asari from Mass Effect, yes? For reproduction or genetic mutation, do you think they decided to add male asari? Fuck no.

Nevermind not even making her somewhere attractive. The Jem’Hadar weren’t fat slobs.