Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

[One_True_Yuri]

The key underlying problem the Federation has in regards to other nations is their perceived hypocrisy. Somewhere in this thread, I talked about the Federation's irresponsible colonization policy as the means of the government getting rid of their undesirables like the Bringloidi, the Navajo, or the Maquis. After all, it's better to dare people who don't agree with Fed policy to go off and create their own colonies than to imprison them. There are so many colonists that the Feds don't keep track of them all. However, to other nations, colonists are not private citizens homesteading free real estate, but Fed citizens constantly expanding their sphere of influence. It also doesn't help that the colonists are frontiers people at best, grifters like Jason Vigo, Cyrano jones, and Harry Mudd at medium, and at worst gang members like Turkana IV. Thus, the Federation often leaves a bad impression to the Shelliak Corporate, the Tzenkethi, the Gorn, the Talarians, the Tholians, and the Cardassians, to say nothing about the other major powers.

So, the Federation talks a lot about its ideals to liberal democracy and the Prime Directive while also constantly expanding its territory using private citizens, whom are often defended by Starfleet. The colonies themselves may become hubs of criminal activity like Turkana IV and then the Fed's reaction is to say it's not their responsibility. The Prime directive is disregarded mostly by Kirk, for moral reasons, but the more exceptions are made to a rule, the less of a rule it actually is.

truly, its insidious
I think thats the best way to portray a utopian society from the outside.

 

[Captain Syrup]

Not in the show. Star Trek Online calls them "Undine", but that's non-canon.

"Mister Tuvok, dispatch a subspace message: we have engaged those little elemental Sprite guys from the SNES."

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

He does the same circuit as Doohan and Takei: ninety percent “this show ruined my life” with a little light character assassination and 10% talking about B5.

I recall Doohan being mostly chill with it?
iirc Koenig had a fucked childhood and was seeing a shrink regularly by the time his balls dropped so I don't fault him too much for being weird. I def recall him being lib af about his ayyyy movie being DEEP and about IMMIGRANTS or something?

I remember she said, "You're dead to me," to Kirstie Alley when Kirstie supported Trump.
Then Kirstie actually died not so long after that. Marina Sirtis is a total piece of shit just like Wheaton and Stewart.

that's especially fucked given how, by all accounts I've heard Alley was generally nice and clearly a little off and needing help.

 

[Captain Syrup]

by all accounts I've heard Alley was generally nice and clearly a little off and needing help.
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It wasn't even a Hollywood fall from grace. She was handing out Scientology pamphlets in her hometown before she even left for L.A. She came prepackaged with e-meters and everything.

 

[Curzon Dax-sama]

This is what happens when you make a Betazoid cum:

The sex scene goes on for for the first three minutes of the episode. There's a Deltan reference. 'member the Deltans? I 'member.

>no violently passionate snu-snu
Pathetic.

 

[Migraine Box]

I recall Doohan being mostly chill with it?

My uncle met Doohan several times at conventions back in the day and had nothing but great things to say about him, though being a convention, grain of salt and all that.

it’s UE5

oh goddamn it

 

[Ultraman Orb Dark]

It's not an edit, that's the actual dialogue in the episode. Said by a Starfleet cadet to his superior officer.

Somehow, Tilly dropping the franchise's first f-bomb sounds more natural.

Have you ever wondered why you never see a jew officer on a Star Fleet ship? They're all at the Federation capital plotting and scheming.

Remember, we had two separate incidents of a senior officer telling a Bajoran to remove their earring because it violated the dress code.

Is what Species 8472 (which is a Borg designation) really calls themselves ever revealed?

Not in the show. Star Trek Online calls them "Undine", but that's non-canon.

Part of me likes to think the Voyager writers just couldn't come up with a name, so they stuck with Species 8472 because they thought it sounded cool.

Admiral Vance and Holly Hunter getting cucked by Paul Giamatti for an hour? I guess I'll take it. How is the Federation so fucking retarded?

Something something something the Burn crippled Starfleet.

It would make a interesting premise for a show but given what we can see beyond Bajor they rarely try to bring in all that many cultures. In first contract seems more like trade deals and non aggression packs. I feel like the criticism would be more genuine coming from klingons, Vulcans, or Romulans. Ferengi and Cardassians were chosen because their cultures are build on distrust.

I'd love to see a show set on a non-Federation world like Qo'noS or Ferenginar to see how the Federation is viewed from outside Starfleet.

 

[Mr Processor]

No other star trek game is going to beat Elite Force or Bridge Commander. Hands down

Just waiting for Nightdive to update Elite Force...

Thus, the Federation often leaves a bad impression to the Shelliak Corporate, the Tzenkethi, the Gorn, the Talarians, the Tholians, and the Cardassians, to say nothing about the other major powers.

"Oh yes, ...new cities, homes in the country, ...your woman at your side, children playing at your feet. And overhead, fluttering in the breeze, the flag of the Federation. Charming."
— Kruge (Star Trek III: The Search for Spock)

 

[Xev]

Speaking of Tilly, where is her fat, ginger ass at? Shouldn't she be teaching at this retard academy?

 

[Curzon Dax-sama]

We went from people actually not giving a fuck whether fucking should be 'safe' or not and wear their bitemarks, scratches, bruises and broken bones with pride and the "yeah, it went out of hand, so what, lol"-look on their faces to "my ex was a deltan, others need not apply xD" and "i'm accidentally mindraping you uwu, but it has to be safe because feeeewwwwings"...

The only thing that was half-decent this week, well. Paul Giamatti fucking over the retards and some of the retards dying and getting eaten by literal HUMAN-SPACEBAT HYBRIDS. Okay. I have several questions. No. Actually? Never mind. It was probably a chinese guy that stuck his dick into a spacebat and caused all of this shit to happen hundreds of years before the show starts. You just know.

But did they have to have poor Paul going on for 20 minutes with bad writing espousing nonsense? I still don't know why he has bones to pick with the Federation, aside from being shipped off to a space-can for a couple years for murder. Is that it? Or is he just jealous Holly Hunter has lived for so long the space-dementia has replaced her personality? And how the fuck does he have the resources to control an entire sector of space and having so many space ships that he can overpower and take an entire space station full of experimental weaponry?

 

[Ultraman Orb Dark]

I love how one of the most consistent things about Klingons since the TNG era is them being absolutely wild in bed.

Wait, does Burnham sleeping with Tyler count if the latter was a Klingon who had surgery to appear human?

 

[Curzon Dax-sama]

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I love how one of the most consistent things about Klingons since the TNG era is them being absolutely wild in bed.

Wait, does Burnham sleeping with Tyler count if the latter was a Klingon who had surgery to appear human?

Klingons are supposed to be wild about everything, not only battle and sex. They don't halfass stuff. To the rest: uhhhhh, whaaaat?

 

[Ultraman Orb Dark]

Klingons are supposed to be wild about everything, not only battle and sex. They don't halfass stuff.

Fair enough. I just find it funny that we hear about their sexual exploits as often as we do their battles.

To the rest: uhhhhh, whaaaat?

Remember that DS9 episode where Sisko, O'Brien, and Odo had to get cosmetic surgery to look like Klingons for an undercover mission? Discovery did something like that, but it was 47 times more confusing.

Rather than purely cosmetic surgery, this one Klingon named Voq underwent an experimental surgery that turned him into a human so he could infiltrate Discovery as a sleeper agent. The surgery turned Voq into Lieutenant Tyler, a captured Starfleet officer whose memories were also used to build Voq's cover story while not active.

Unlike other examples of characters going through cosmetic surgery, Voq actually believed he was Lieutenant Tyler while serving on Discovery's crew. During that time, "Tyler" started a relationship with Burnham that had a few instances of snu-snu (hence my earlier reference), but eventually, Voq awakened and tried to kill Burnham. This meant no more snu-snu.

After Voq's personality emerged, he and the genuinely good-natured "Tyler" were fighting to become the dominant personality. L'Rell, Voq's lover/baby mama and the one who activated the sleeper agent, found a way to kill Voq so "Tyler" would remain the only personality, but would keep both the human and Klingon's memories.

He's pretty much a poor man's Worf, someone well versed human and Klingon culture, but is shunned by the latter for being an outsider.

 

[Curzon Dax-sama]

Remember that DS9 episode where Sisko, O'Brien, and Odo had to get cosmetic surgery to look like Klingons for an undercover mission?

I remember it very fondly. The Klingon make up and prosthetics were so uncomfortable for Avery Brooks that he actually was pissed off and that made his appearance as a Klingons extremely convincing. Odo was written in, because Terry Farrell not only combusts into ash if exposed to direct sunlight, that same skin condition also makes her allergic to most of the stuff used in Klingon make up. Oh, and without Dukat, they wouldn't have been able to infiltrate Klingon HQ. Say something nice about him, like that he didn't do anything wrong.

Discovery did something like that, but it was 47 times more confusing.

Rather than purely cosmetic surgery, this one Klingon named Voq underwent an experimental surgery that turned him into a human so he could infiltrate Discovery as a sleeper agent. The surgery turned Voq into Lieutenant Tyler, a captured Starfleet officer whose memories were also used to build Voq's cover story while not active.

Unlike other examples of characters going through cosmetic surgery, Voq actually believed he was Lieutenant Tyler while serving on Discovery's crew. During that time, "Tyler" started a relationship with Burnham that had a few instances of snu-snu (hence my earlier reference), but eventually, Voq awakened and tried to kill Burnham. This meant no more snu-snu.

After Voq's personality emerged, he and the genuinely good-natured "Tyler" were fighting to become the dominant personality. L'Rell, Voq's lover/baby mama and the one who activated the sleeper agent, found a way to kill Voq so "Tyler" would remain the only personality, but would keep both the human and Klingon's memories.

 

[BIG BILL HELL'S]

I remember it very fondly. The Klingon make up and prosthetics were so uncomfortable for Avery Brooks that he actually was pissed off and that made his appearance as a Klingons extremely convincing. Odo was written in, because Terry Farrell not only combusts into ash if exposed to direct sunlight, that same skin condition also makes her allergic to most of the stuff used in Klingon make up. Oh, and without Dukat, they wouldn't have been able to infiltrate Klingon HQ. Say something nice about him, like that he didn't do anything wrong.

Also, Colm Meaney bitched so much that everyone involved resolved to never have him do anything like that again.

Meanwhile, René Auberjonois loved the Klingon makeup, because he only had to sit in the chair half as long as he did with his usual makeup.

Also, Dukat flying around in a stole Bird of Prey should have been made into a buddy cop show or something.

 

[bango skank]

I can’t find a good photo but space pirate Dukat wearing Klingon war trophies on his captured Bird of Prey is best Dukat.

 

[Commissar Fuklaw]

Odo was written in, because Terry Farrell not only combusts into ash if exposed to direct sunlight

Maybe just her clothes from the pics I've seen.

 

[Miller]

I remember it very fondly. The Klingon make up and prosthetics were so uncomfortable for Avery Brooks that he actually was pissed off and that made his appearance as a Klingons extremely convincing. Odo was written in, because Terry Farrell not only combusts into ash if exposed to direct sunlight, that same skin condition also makes her allergic to most of the stuff used in Klingon make up. Oh, and without Dukat, they wouldn't have been able to infiltrate Klingon HQ. Say something nice about him, like that he didn't do anything wrong.

Wallace Shawn (Nagus) was also allergic to the special glue they used for the prosthetics.

 

[Fatsuit Shinji]

I can’t find a good photo but space pirate Dukat wearing Klingon war trophies on his captured Bird of Prey is best Dukat.

No point in collecting war trophies if you can't display them for all the world galaxy to see.

 

[Whiskey]

Fair enough. I just find it funny that we hear about their sexual exploits as often as we do their battles.

Remember that DS9 episode where Sisko, O'Brien, and Odo had to get cosmetic surgery to look like Klingons for an undercover mission? Discovery did something like that, but it was 47 times more confusing.

Rather than purely cosmetic surgery, this one Klingon named Voq underwent an experimental surgery that turned him into a human so he could infiltrate Discovery as a sleeper agent. The surgery turned Voq into Lieutenant Tyler, a captured Starfleet officer whose memories were also used to build Voq's cover story while not active.

Unlike other examples of characters going through cosmetic surgery, Voq actually believed he was Lieutenant Tyler while serving on Discovery's crew. During that time, "Tyler" started a relationship with Burnham that had a few instances of snu-snu (hence my earlier reference), but eventually, Voq awakened and tried to kill Burnham. This meant no more snu-snu.

After Voq's personality emerged, he and the genuinely good-natured "Tyler" were fighting to become the dominant personality. L'Rell, Voq's lover/baby mama and the one who activated the sleeper agent, found a way to kill Voq so "Tyler" would remain the only personality, but would keep both the human and Klingon's memories.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=BhjHnLadfJ4He's pretty much a poor man's Worf, someone well versed human and Klingon culture, but is shunned by the latter for being an outsider.

Is death a thing in new trek...?
If you can write your memories onto another person and fucking klingon of all medicine is advanced enough to change one species to another completely on a biological level. Immortality must be common in discovery?

If it isn't I can't think of a reason why... it's much easier to be immortal with backup bodies then to pull off everything listed above.