Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

[Ultraman Orb Dark]

Odo was written in, because Terry Farrell not only combusts into ash if exposed to direct sunlight, that same skin condition also makes her allergic to most of the stuff used in Klingon make up.

Reminds me of this video I saw on a fantasy movie where Richard Moll played a sorcerer. It said that the contact lenses Moll wore for the movie accidentally fused to his eyes and needed to be surgically removed.

It gets even more convoluted in the second season.

You know that scene when Pike first learns about his future? The dude he's talking to is Voq and L'Rell's son, magically aged up from living as a monk on a planet full of time crystals.

If you can write your memories onto another person and fucking klingon of all medicine is advanced enough to change one species to another completely on a biological level. Immortality must be common in discovery?

They try to justify it like the Spore Drive by saying it's an experimental procedure and that Voq was the test subject, but it all sounds like something you'd see the Romulans do, not the Klingons.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

Do you believe the Federation is as sinister and Quark and Garak implied it was? As a bubbly and sweet face but it slowly corrupts its neighbors, erasing their greater culture and identity and subsuming them into itself

It was never meant to be. It was instead supposed to represent the best of humanity and rather than colonizing by force, it's through diplomacy. Because the show needs antagonists, we see admirals having their own plans and going against their values, because that's the only way, narratively speaking, to place people of power in the Enterprise. DS9 took it to the extreme and as whoever is writing current Trek only knows the show via memes and Wikipedia, they read "DS9 is the best trek" and used it as basis for the idea that the whole federation and Starfleet are the real bad guys.

 

[Brain Problems]

It was never meant to be. It was instead supposed to represent the best of humanity and rather than colonizing by force, it's through diplomacy. Because the show needs antagonists, we see admirals having their own plans and going against their values, because that's the only way, narratively speaking, to place people of power in the Enterprise. DS9 took it to the extreme and as whoever is writing current Trek only knows the show via memes and Wikipedia, they read "DS9 is the best trek" and used it as basis for the idea that the whole federation and Starfleet are the real bad guys.

Another part too is that cynicism and skepticism become tedious when it's all we've been given for such a long time (no shadow without the light etc). They were initially only effective themes and narrative beats because we had previously been given a fairly safe and neutral playground that had no hints of any duplicity or foundational rot so all of a sudden questioning the authority of the Good Guys feels jarring and shocking.

That's why TNG has so many all-time great episodes because it still kept the idea of the Federation being predominantly optimistic and Good™ but that there were issues here and there that at least gave pause to accepting the premise whole cloth, but never ever lapsing into nihilism.

DS9 threw more water on that concept and was darker and grittier but still ultimately presented the Federation as something Good™ but also deeply flawed and vulnerable both tactically and socially. Then Section 31 was introduced and I think that was the turning point for a lot of peoples' brains that they went and thought, oh well how can the Federation be so good when they've got CIA BLACK OPS BEING RUN, HUH? This thinking was extrapolated until it infected most nuTrek philosophy and the notion of "morally grey" turned into this postmodernist bullshit of like, what does right mean, maaaan, since the writers are all retards and buckbroken leftists anyway.

 

[Captain Syrup]

Julian joining S31 in that unfilmed pitch is so funny. I want to see the rest of that season. We flash back to Julian tearing up about importance of safety nets and then he gets MeToo'ed by a Starfleet intern and two episodes later he’s black-bagging a Romulan.

Do you believe the Federation is as sinister and Quark and Garak implied it was?

The root beer scene is about monoculture. And DS9 is written from the space projects. So naturally they’re suspicious. Garak knows there is always a prevailing culture. That’s the part Federation people don’t want to admit. You can call it diversity, you can call it utopia, but nature abhors a vacuum.

 

[One_True_Yuri]

Bashir joining S31 in that unfilmed season eight pitch is so funny. I want to see the rest of that season. We flash back to Julian tearing up about importance of safety nets and then he gets MeToo'ed by a Starfleet intern and two episodes later he’s black-bagging a Romulan.

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The root beer scene is about monoculture. And DS9 is written from the space projects. So naturally they’re suspicious. Garak knows there is always a prevailing culture. That’s the part Federation people don’t want to admit. You can call it diversity, you can call it utopia, but nature abhors a vacuum.

I think Quark said it best, the more you drink it the more you begin to like it

 

[Gobermental Supervisor]

They are trying so hard. Not a day goes by where Youtube is not pushing this on me. (Noteworthy that they even push the P2W episode on me after I ignored it when it was free)

Paramount paying Youtube to show this ad to me while their algorithm knows full well I'd rather jump than watch this shit, is kinda funny.

 

[Curzon Dax-sama]

I can’t find a good photo but space pirate Dukat wearing Klingon war trophies on his captured Bird of Prey is best Dukat.

Now, there is an idea for a show: Space Pirate Dukat.

 

[Whiskey]

Then Section 31 was introduced and I think that was the turning point for a lot of peoples' brains that they went and thought, oh well how can the Federation be so good when they've got CIA BLACK OPS BEING RUN, HUH? This thinking was extrapolated until it infected most nuTrek philosophy and the notion of "morally grey" turned into this postmodernist bullshit of like, what does right mean, maaaan, since the writers are all retards and buckbroken leftists anyway.

I liked the section 31 sub plot in ds9 but it does feel like it flew over a lot of people's heads that they were villainous. I always felt it was a mistake to have them be what ended the fonder's (shapeshifters) in the show rather then turning their slaves on them.

 

[Whiskey]

Now, there is an idea for a show: Space Pirate Dukat.

That could be one of the best drama/comedies of the year.... hell it writes itself

Durat to Romulan commander: "As you can see commander I've rigged your last supply shipment. You will surrender immediately and to prove I'm not bluffing.." hits a button on his console as his own ships suffers an explosions from mixing up the barrels

Dukat ".... as you can see from my demonstration of a single explosive it would prove catastrophic should you not surrender

Romulans " You win this time Dukat but we won't forget this !" Com link closes

Dukat : "number 2... notify high command of our success and begin immediately on repairs."

 

[WonderWino]

I know Voyager has been a bit of a punching bag, but did anyone else see this announcement today?
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Where on earth did this come from? What, why, and how? I have so many questions, but...honestly, even if it -as a game- it ends up being not that great, it looks like it'd be awesome as just a 3D free-roam ship sim of the Voyager. Most of the ship appears fully modeled inside and out:
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Yes I'm aware of Elite Force and still love it to pieces, but that game is over 25 years old and was built on the Quake III engine. I'm still absolutely dumbfounded that something like this is being made, especially considering it's Voyager of all things and not an Enterprise.

I played the demo back in october. Its not good to put it politely. The combat system in particular is absolute dogshit. I literally just pushed buttons that didn't seem to actually do anything and still somehow defeated the kazon. I still couldn't tell you how or wtf I was doing the whole time. The rest is.....meh at best. You build rooms in a similar way to fallout shelter but don't interact with actual crew in a similar way. Power usage needs a massive balance pass, you're always running low as fuck on power and barely have enough to do what you need to - note that they specifically stated this is deliberate and that it will force you to 'make choices' about what you actually explore and do in game. In other words they are deliberately ensuring you can't see everything in one playthrough and have to play through again to make different decisions. Speaking of decisions the away team shit is....well, shit. Its entirely rng and is as bare bones as it gets. Its set up in a way that essentially you use the characters the particular episode did or it'll likely end badly

We talked about it earlier in the thread. I suppose the Voyager setting works for a roguelike. I do hope they let me kill Tuvix over and over again.

The funny thing is it definitely will. That was one of the choics leaked out in one of the videos that was put out advertising the game

 

[OutInTheRain]

The funny thing is it definitely will. That was one of the choics leaked out in one of the videos that was put out advertising the game

I don't mind them forcing multiple playthroughs. But I hope it they develop some of the "roads less travelled" by the series. Let me keep Tuvix and play that out across a run. Let me find a way to replicate Tuvixs with the Transporter and start selling them as slaves in exchange for dilithium. Let me conquer the Borg using Tuvix wave tactics.

Let me carve a bloody swathe through the Delta Quadrant where the Voyager becomes a symbol of dread for all sentient life. Or let me create a coalition of super best friends to unite the galaxy in harmony.

Oh and have a hotkey to execute Neelix.

That last one is non-negotiable.

 

[Curzon Dax-sama]

I don't mind them forcing multiple playthroughs. But I hope it they develop some of the "roads less travelled" by the series. Let me keep Tuvix and play that out across a run. Let me find a way to replicate Tuvixs with the Transporter and start selling them as slaves in exchange for dilithium. Let me conquer the Borg using Tuvix wave tactics.

Let me carve a bloody swathe through the Delta Quadrant where the Voyager becomes a symbol of dread for all sentient life. Or let me create a coalition of super best friends to unite the galaxy in harmony.

Oh and have a hotkey to execute Neelix.

That last one is non-negotiable.

If the game doesn't give me the choice to play as Warship Voyager, I'm not interested. And from what I've seen and heard, it won't, plus all the dogshit mechanics they've thrown in there and the ones that they needlessly bloated...

What I want is a game like X4 set in the Star Trek universe where you can start in the TOS and TNG-era, depending on where you sit.

 

[OutInTheRain]

If the game doesn't give me the choice to play as Warship Voyager, I'm not interested. And from what I've seen and heard, it won't, plus all the dogshit mechanics they've thrown in there and the ones that they needlessly bloated...

What I want is a game like X4 set in the Star Trek universe where you can start in the TOS and TNG-era, depending on where you sit.

I think something like a Europa Universalis. Where the Galaxy is static mapped, but you start either exploring and then settling regions. With minor races scattered about. A Federation start would have you taking regions by diplomacy. Klingons would have to fight it out amongst the Great Houses before taking control of the empire and then expanding. Romulans you could subvert the political institutions through influence campaigns and sabotage and then move in as a liberator or "peace keeper." The Ferengi use space jew magic and attack credit scores.

Each race could have a small narrative as you either had them join you or conquered them. The mid and end game could have a crisis that shakes up the status quo.

It could work if it wasn't treated as a cashgrab. Like that Paradox game that came out.

 

[Curzon Dax-sama]

I think something like a Europa Universalis. Where the Galaxy is static mapped, but you start either exploring and then settling regions. With minor races scattered about. A Federation start would have you taking regions by diplomacy. Klingons would have to fight it out amongst the Great Houses before taking control of the empire and then expanding. Romulans you could subvert the political institutions through influence campaigns and sabotage and then move in as a liberator or "peace keeper." The Ferengi use space jew magic and attack credit scores.

Each race could have a small narrative as you either had them join you or conquered them. The mid and end game could have a crisis that shakes up the status quo.

It could work if it wasn't treated as a cashgrab. Like that Paradox game that came out.

That's GSG. I'm talking about something like Evenline or the X-series. You start with very little and over time unlock new skills, buy/build ships and infrastructure, carve out your own little corner or join one of the big powers. Bonus points for having virtually every ship that's in alpha and beta canon in the game available to you, even high-difficulty to acquire stuff like Borg cubes or whatever 8472 is flying.

Would be cool if you bought an old NX-class ship, modded that with late 24th century gear and venture out there as a cut throat mercenary.

 

[Phillip Green]

I think something like a Europa Universalis. Where the Galaxy is static mapped, but you start either exploring and then settling regions. With minor races scattered about. A Federation start would have you taking regions by diplomacy. Klingons would have to fight it out amongst the Great Houses before taking control of the empire and then expanding. Romulans you could subvert the political institutions through influence campaigns and sabotage and then move in as a liberator or "peace keeper." The Ferengi use space jew magic and attack credit scores.

Each race could have a small narrative as you either had them join you or conquered them. The mid and end game could have a crisis that shakes up the status quo.

It could work if it wasn't treated as a cashgrab. Like that Paradox game that came out.

If you want to talk old games, Birth of the Federation was a 1999 4x game from Microprose. It was literally a Trek reskin of Master of Orion II, with a primitive 3d combat system bolted on. I had a lot of fun with it when I was young and I think it still runs mostly OK in modern Windows.

In modern gaming, there have been very good Trek Stellaris mods for years now: Star Trek New Horizons and Star Trek New Civilizations (which started as a fork of New Horizons due to an autistic slapfight some years ago, but is now a fairly distinct mod).

Both allow you to start in the 2150s as pretty much any faction in Trek lore (including Terran Empire). You can play several versions of a static lore-accurate galaxy map, or use a RNG version to mix things up. There's event chains for forming the Federation (or not), various Klingon historical events, etc. Orions can set up criminal networks, and Ferengi can infiltrate using the game's Megacorp mechanic. Your ship designs transition from Ent to TOS to TMP to TNG as your tech tree and calendar advance.

The official Paradox Trek game (which was just a poorly skinned, dumbed down version of Stellaris built on top of an old version of the game's code base) was doomed from the start because these mods already existed, are filled with content, and trivial to install using Steam workshop. Even if Paradox would have put effort into it, there's no chance it would have succeeded in competition with these free mods.

If you can get a grip with Stellaris' management style and 5000 in game currencies and resource types, these mods make Stellaris one of the best Trek games ever.

 

[One_True_Yuri]

Voyager wouldve been redeemed if an entire episode was one redshirt singlehandedly killing more than 100 borg drones and saving Voyager despite taking horrific casualties

 

[OutInTheRain]

That's GSG. I'm talking about something like Evenline or the X-series. You start with very little and over time unlock new skills, buy/build ships and infrastructure, carve out your own little corner or join one of the big powers. Bonus points for having virtually every ship that's in alpha and beta canon in the game available to you, even high-difficulty to acquire stuff like Borg cubes or whatever 8472 is flying.

That would be awesome. Let you run around inside your spaceship and some iconic locations, really make it immersive. Burn through red shirts like it's a blood sacrifice.

 

[Captain Syrup]

Voyager wouldve been redeemed if an entire episode was one redshirt singlehandedly killing more than 100 borg drones and saving Voyager despite taking horrific casualties

I smell bowling alley carpet from 1998.

It would be more accurate if your NPC partner kept walking into your line of fire.

 

[Travoltron]

I'm still bummed out with the Voyager ending. We needed an epilogue episode to see the crew reunite with their families and the fate of the Maquis crew. (I presume they would have been pardoned.)

 

[Captain Syrup]

Speaking of Tilly, where is her fat, ginger ass at? Shouldn't she be teaching at this retard academy?

I demand more Jett Reno lore.



The Tilly thing is crazy though. They advertised her like she was a co-lead. Now they're saying her role is extremely "limited.” Holly Hunter just showed up out of nowhere and now she’s carrying the entire thing? Maybe she was a last-minute hire?