Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

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Captain Syrup said:
It was always this weird tightrope walk. And it’s telling that people mostly remember the Xindi stuff. I didn’t grow up watching The Original Series. But the TOS references in The Next Generation or Deep Space Nine land because those shows aren’t embarrassed by their inheritance.

They probably also missed the window. The Anaxar/Excelsior middle ground between Kirk and Picard. The bright sixties optimism was gone by '01. That's probably why we never got Archer’s big presidential address in the way people imagined it.

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Aye they were trying to recapture it while having nearly no one of that time to help make the show
I feel like really the best way to appriciate Enterprise is by looking at the show as a whole rather than by the episodes. Showed us what local space looked like Pre Federation, showed us the foundation of the Federation, early Star Fleet and its transition from a more military faction to something more akin to exploration and diplomacy
 
I still can’t get over that Trip’s origin is basically fixing jet skis. Git 'r done!

It’s the most early-2000s understanding of astronauts. We couldn’t train astronauts to drill, so we’re sending drillers into space! :semperfidelis:

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Platonic Ideal said:
But yeah I agree with most of the opinions in this thread. Eddington was a cool idea to explore, a professional officer who defects for the greater good, but he kind of comes off as more of a drama queen and glory hound that's constantly getting mogged by Based Sisko
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I always thought that was sort of the point of the character. Eddington's motives for defecting were both selfish and selfless. You can tell he wanted to help the people keep their homes, but he was just as interested as playing superhero after leaving a dead-end job.

It's like how Sisko's motives for opposing him were to bring him to task for betraying his uniform and for betraying him personally. They both let personal grudges intensify their rivalry.
 
Ultraman Orb Dark said:
I always thought that was sort of the point of the character. Eddington's motives for defecting were both selfish and selfless. You can tell he wanted to help the people keep their homes, but he was just as interested as playing superhero after leaving a dead-end job.

It's like how Sisko's motives for opposing him were to bring him to task for betraying his uniform and for betraying him personally. They both let personal grudges intensify their rivalry.
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More to the point, Eddington was a larper.

I enjoyed the Eddington arc. His whole Les Miserables obsession, along with the wider French resistance "Maquis" schtick, were deeply romanticized pretension. He was idealistic, but also deeply naive, and ultimately not a serious person.

Which is why he broke the moment Sisko dropped the Trilithium hammer of real consequences. I enjoyed how deflated Kenneth Marshall played that scene (I also just like that he's the guy from Krull).

Many of the Maquis did appear to be serious people, like Ensign Ro or Sisko's friend Lt. Cmdr. Hudson. But Eddington and Thomas Riker were both delusional glory hounds. Riker had the same immediate collapse when facing real consequences.
 
Captain Syrup said:
I’ve never actually seen Krull, apparently it’s the most uneventful fantasy film ever? I’m open to being wrong.

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It can be an OK watch if you're in a B-movie mood, but it's not a good movie, and does have a lot of pacing issues.

It does have some fun bits, some cool art design, and was broadcast on Cable TV near constantly in the early 90's, so there's a lot of nostalgia among people now in their 40s-50s.

It's also notable for very early appearances of Liam Neeson and Robbie Coltrane.
 
Captain Syrup said:
I’ve never actually seen Krull, apparently it’s the most uneventful fantasy film ever? I’m open to being wrong.

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Eh, it's mostly boring. It's like a step above Deathstalker or those Gor films, but the Ewok films were far better as a fantasy-star wars.

Anytime I've been tempted to rewatch it, I just end up watching Beastmaster instead.
 
It's Thursday so it's time for Star Trek: Learing Academy, I guess...

Whoa, why is this episode in 4:3 aspect ratio?
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And it has Jeffrey Combs!? Maybe this isn't so bad! But why are they talking about some space station and it looks like it was filmed thirty years ago?

"It was the dawn of the Third Age of mankind..."
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God damn it, I opened the wrong file. Let's try this again.

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Fuck, I'd rather watch Cleopatra 2525 instead of Star Trek: Fags and Fatties. You can do this Mr. Racewar1488. Do it for the honor of your great house.

Oh god, the retarded nigger hologram has new hair:
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The cadets are on break for All Worlds Day which sounds like some woke bullshit.

Of course the gay Klingon and his twink boyfriend are going to Ibiza.
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The Vulcan's name was B'Avi, not Bobby! I should watch more shows with the subtitles on.

Since Caleb, the Gary Stu of the show, has no family he's being sent to Dakar, Senegal and needs to help Helen Hunt pack.
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Look at the silly woman over packing! Hahahahahaha!!!!!!!! She has so many shoes!! Hahahahahahahahahaha!!!!! THIS IS THE POWER OF MATH, PEOPLE!!!!

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Jay'Den said the thing Klingons say! Star Trek is so back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fuck this, I'm staying down and not hitting the light pole. I have watched every Kurtzman Trek series, every Disney Star Wars series and movie, I grew up watching MST3K, I watch RLM's Best of the Worst for movie recommendations because I love shitty movies and tv shows but this show has broken me. I've been watching Babylon 5 the past few days so coming back to Current Year +10 writing is too much. I can't even make fun of it it's so bad. @Curzon Dax-sama was right, there's fanfic that's better than this. My Star Trek greentext stories are better than this and those take 10-15 minutes to write. I'm going back to watching Babylon 5 and everyone in this thread that hasn't seen it or hasn't rewatched it in a few years should as well. Or watch Jack of All Trades. It's a Sam Raimi produced show from 2000 starring Bruce Campbell and it's better than anything Kurtzman has ever written.
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FUCK YOU KURTZMAN!!!!!!
 
Curzon Dax-sama said:
I just want Trek that isn't shit. At this point, fanfic does apply.
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Hey I have some recommendations.

Pretty sure its been mentioned here but Babylon 5 is pretty much a better written and fully developed version of Deep Space 9 and wont go too much into it, its defeinately the best not ST Star Trek you can get

Another one you should look into is Andromeda
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To keep it brief and in relevance to Star Trek, imagine a series where a new version of a Galaxy class is thrown a good couple hundreds years into the future. The captain and a few crew survive but discover that the Federation has long since been destroyed and barely anyone they come across has even heard of it. So the captain is taking his super advanced ship out through the galaxy trying to do as much good as he can while trying to restablish the Federation because he **truly** feels that it would help the state of things and because he is a true believer in its ideals.
Its campier than Star Trek but I found the series very charming and scratched a similar itch to Star Trek

Lastly, I have found that the writers and developers of Star Trek Online actually care about the setting and seem to genueinly be fans of it and wanted to add in good shit to the greater Star Trek universe. Take this with a grain of salt Ive only gotten so far as completing the Temporal Cold War arc, but I *personally* think it was great and felt like the new trek shows and seasons we never got. They try to resolve a lot of loose ends and tie together things on many fronts. Stuff like resolving the Blue Gills, expanding on the Mirrorverse Borg, showing the Temporal Cold War first hand and explaining a bit of it, showing the Iconians and continuing the setting.
Im not saying to play it but to watch a youtuber series on it.
 
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One_True_Yuri said:
Pretty sure its been mentioned here but Babylon 5 is pretty much a better written and fully developed version of Deep Space 9 and wont go too much into it, its defeinately the best not ST Star Trek you can get
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They even make fun of DS9:
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Babylon 5 is better than DS9 and I will fight anyone in this thread who disagrees. Season 1 Delenn is cuter than season 2 onward Delenn and Lyta is hotter than Thallia Winters. Don't @ me, you know I'm right.

One_True_Yuri said:
Another one you should look into is Andromeda
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STD stole the premise of season three onward from Andromeda but made it gay and retarded. Another Roddenberry show made from his notes after his death people should watch is Earth: Final Conflict but stop watching after season three, it gets more and more retarded until the main antagonists become psychic space sex vampires in season five.
 
I thought the fact that STO decided to expand heavily on the Sphere Builders plans and scope was a fantastic idea. They show off the Kelvin timeline a bit after the movies and revealed that the Sphere Builders were becoming active there too and were becoming a massive problem for the Kelvin timeline Star Fleet. They also were not using the Xindi here as their proxies and instead had managed to get the Klingons to work for them building their space warping spheres
 
Mr. Racewar1488 said:
They even make fun of DS9:
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Babylon 5 is better than DS9 and I will fight anyone in this thread who disagrees.
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My mildly hot take is that B5 mogs Enterprise.


Babylon Five is half space opera, half William Gibson ripoff, which makes me wonder if TOS was unfairly overlooked for being "dated". B5 also covered the transition from a paranoid EarthForce to a more aspirational Alliance, whereas Enterprise sort of went in reverse. There’s a reason the inauguration happens off-screen. The idea that everyone just signs a piece of paper like "let bygones be bygones"? After all the bullshit the Vulcans and Tellarites put Archer (and Forrest) through?!

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People are acting like it would be a bad thing if the entire series went on hiatus for a couple of decades. My reasoning? Good. The entire thing needs to be reset. Kurtzman needs to be fucking gone, every single retard involved in the production of his run of shows need to be fired and blacklisted from ever working in the industry again.
 
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