Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

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Also...for all the talk of "John C. Horfenbottom planned out the series from the beginning!"...does that really matter when a) half the cast left after the pilot and b) the captain left after the first season?
I planned this all out on a cork board! screams JMS.

They put an insane amount of thought into the station and EarthGov. I will say though, I appreciate that they don’t explain how the jump gates work every five seconds. Just a big blue asshole in the sky. We go in there. Brevity is key.

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The main cast is pretty good. The guest stars are from the same casting pool as Time Trax. :lossmanjack:

Honestly maybe Paramount was right to be like, “No fun allowed. Say the line exactly.” Because on B5 they take the script about as seriously as a laser tag arena.

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I also think at some point you gotta stop comparing yourself to Star Trek. Babylon 5 was the first show that was like, “WE’RE COMING FOR YOU, RODDENBERRY.” But that was, what, 1994? It’s giving me Eric Bischoff. We beat WWE in the ratings...for a semester.
Captain Tron>>>>>>Captain Firstguy
but yeah I vaguely recall Doyle had stories of the first guy being very weird
O'Hare is DB Cooper. Really sad cuz his career ended before it began. Outside of B5 and, what, some regional theater credits or whatever it was.

Doyle was this New York lifer but he was just waiting to throw hands. You’ve met weirder people ordering a bagel. Relax.
 
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I still can’t get over that Trip’s origin is basically fixing jet skis. Git 'r done!

It’s the most early-2000s understanding of astronauts. We couldn’t train astronauts to drill, so we’re sending drillers into space!
NASA did confirm that Michael Bay got it right on this. As it is exponentially easier, faster and better to have people of their fields trained and suited up for zero-G environment. Then to try trained and over worked astronauts who already their hands full with their own duties like piloting the shuttles. Though at time of Armageddon theatrical run only other people going up to space were mostly scientists, and soft handed pencil pushers of some flavor.
 
Fuck, I'd rather watch Cleopatra 2525 instead of Star Trek: Fags and Fatties.
Now that is a show I haven't seen mentioned in a long, long time. They don't make 'em like they used to anymore.
Way better than Star Trek Quality Learing Center. The 90s/early 2000s could do no wrong. Total Recall 2070 was also solid.
 
Is that fuckin Freddy Kreuger
Yup, that's Robert England. He's a cult leader who feeds people to a Predator like alien. If you grew up watching TV in the 90s you will recognize so many character actors and other random actors from movies and TV shows. Both Alotta Fagina and Nigel Exposition from Austin Powers are in it and Penn & Teller are in the episode written by Neil Gaiman.

Now that is a show I haven't seen mentioned in a long, long time. They don't make 'em like they used to anymore.
The only reason the show was made was to give Laurance Fishbourne's wife a job. Jack of All Trades was the better show thanks to Bruce Campbell's comedic skills and the hot blonde Br*tish woman.

For the Trekkies getting tired of the Babylon 5 posting, Bester has some good news about the thread:
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Just chiming in to say B5 is actually very very watchable and perhaps is even better than ever compared to the absolute dogshit tier crap that nuTrek throws at us weekly. I don't even think that it's aged that badly but maybe I'm more generous with SFX leeway but I think the character costumes and make up look great and arguably better than the garbage they're trying today even. G'kar's/Narn make up is especially tremendous.
 
You know, I didn't expect to enjoy an episode about King Arthur as much as I did, but man, G'kar really helped to make that episode fantastic.
The D&D stuff on Babylon 5 mostly sucks, I like "Grail", though. That’s the good shit. I love when British guys act serious in sci-fi.

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In "Avalon" Marcus starts doing a Medieval Times accent to talk Michael York down. He’s so funny. Then G'kar immediately starts buying in. He just loves the pageantry. :story:
G'kar's/Narn make up is especially tremendous.
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I will say, the League members all look distinct. No Star Trek "rubber forehead zigzag."

The Narn actors look like they’re in physical pain though. I guess it adds to the realism. There’s that big freedom speech and I swear you can see his brow furrow through the prosthetics. That’s good rubber acting.
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JMS talks about this is an interview. It's very sad what happened to him.
God I loved Michael O'Hare's performance in B5. If the illness never happened I think he could have been one of the greats. Sisko tier even.

Personally the show stopped being as interesting to me when he had to leave. I like Bruce Boxleitner, and they did a good job trying to patch things up, but it just wasn't the same. Michael was beating the shit out of everyone every other episode and getting into space dogfights while giving star trek tier speeches.


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Michael Straczynski was a class act for doing everything he could to honor the character and actor though. He finished his arc as cleanly as he could in season 3 with a kickass guest appearance and making sure the lore referenced him as much as possible. There's even a novel about how his love interest moves heaven and earth to be with him again.



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One of my favorite episodes is infection where he tanks a gun that one shot everything and talks down a genocidal alien. Gripping performance.

He also punched checkov and Khan's right hand man in the face.
 

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