Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

f you're not familiar with Star Fleet Battles, Prime Directive is the RPG set in that game's Star Fleet universe

I just know of SFB as that wargame that took TOS and TAS and built a more action-oriented universe around them which is totally unlike what emerged from TNG, but I had never heard of this RPG before seeing the module on a shelf. Wikipedia doesn't say, but surely Paramount would love to end the license agreement. From the cover art alone you can tell that the tone is totally different from what they want in nu-Trek.

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The module was a counterterrorism mission written to be carried out by Starfleet personnel. Something tells me that the only wisecracking enby you might encounter in this world would be a bizarre alien... in the brig.

The original version was released in the 90's, and uses it's own D6-based system. I've honestly never run the game but have read through the rules a few times. It's very old school, and crunchy. They still sell it in PDF format, but hasn't been updated since the 90's.

Ah, a reality simulator? It never hurts to take a look, though.

I think the difference is mainly that nobody really gives a crap about the fictional tech in Babylon 5 the way trekies obsesses about nonsensical contradictory technobabble crapped out by coked-up TV writers on a deadline. It has enough verisimilitude to get the story from A to B without being too obviously contradictory to whatever the other guy wrote for last week's episode, which is all it needs.

Yeah, I guess the technology in B5 isn't interesting because we already know what most of it is. Rocket-powered fighters, centrifugal gravity. I think some of the station is made of concrete? Definitely doesn't tickle the imagination the same way that the communicators did in the 60s.

Me bawling my eyes out every time at the end of Sleeping in Light is as much for the station dying as it is for Sheridan.

I was exhausted by the show by the time I finished it, maybe it would have been different if I had seen it when it initially aired. All I knew about it as a young kid was that that was the show that Kevin and his ultra nerd friends watched in Mission Hill.
 
Lot of people actually did and still do give a crap about B5 tech, including NASA. Who had designed the civilian construction Starfury variant seen in they beginning of B5: Thirdspace TV movie. As Babylon 5 was one of handful of sci-fi TV series to use real Newtonian physics for the Earth Alliance and to varying degrees for the other alien species.
I phrased that badly. I just meant that it doesn't inspire the same obsessive nit-picking autism as Trek tech. And before anyone gets butthurt, that's not an insult to Star Trek or spergs, I am just as autistic as everyone else posting here in the most autistic thread on the most autistic forum on the internet.

Yeah, I guess the technology in B5 isn't interesting because we already know what most of it is. Rocket-powered fighters, centrifugal gravity. I think some of the station is made of concrete? Definitely doesn't tickle the imagination the same way that the communicators did in the 60s.
It's not that it isn't interesting, it just serves a completely different narrative function in a very different story. B5 humans are just our grandchildren, with all the same flaws. Characters for the most part are soldiers and politicians and stories tend to resolve around conflict between them and that conflict often gets resolved with violence. Technology's main purpose is to show humanity as primitive compared to the other races, and the Vorlons/Shadows as gods compared to everyone else. There's no episode focused around how artificial gravity works on alien ships, because it doesn't matter how it works, just that they have it and human ships don't. There's little technobabble because any weird or wacky tech that shows up is so beyond their current knowledge they don't have a hope in hell of understanding the science behind it and it might as well be magic.

Trek, on the other hand, is supposed to be a utopian future where humanity has evolved. Characters are diplomats and scientists. Conflict tends to be external and be resolved with diplomacy or technology. They always have to try and explain whatever the new or malfunctioning tech causing this week's problem is to demonstrate how advanced and clever they are, and show it's definitely not magic. To be honest, I think that a lot of the technobabble overload from TNG onwards was an embarrassed overreaction to all the times in TOS when it absolutely was just magic.


I was exhausted by the show by the time I finished it, maybe it would have been different if I had seen it when it initially aired. All I knew about it as a young kid was that that was the show that Kevin and his ultra nerd friends watched in Mission Hill.
I can see that, it's definitely not made for binge-watching. I watched it as it aired or in re-runs originally, and these days I take a break of a few weeks between season when I do a rewatch,
 
I can see that, it's definitely not made for binge-watching.
Babylon 5 has the same fault as DS9. You can’t just turn on season 3 episode 14.

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The problem is it’s all about shifting alliances. G'Kar especially has a long-form character arc.
 
Would you forgive Star Trek for its sins if in TNG they broke the warp barrier and all turned into salamanders?
Apparently being spontaneously converted into a horny salamander is treated with the same urgency as a common cold. Give the man his Daystrom Award.

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I'd say it's complicated and Starfleet was dumb enough to build it that way. The multi-vector-assault nonsense sucks ass, because it produces too many vulnerabilities to be justifiable.
Salve your autism by remembering that it was a prototype that never entered production. It's likely some vice admiral had it as a pet project and kept pushing for its completion and test, long after it was clear it was a complete boondoggle, just because getting it completed might get him across the line to that coveted fourth pip.
 
Wasnt a cold responsible for turning Worf into a monster and Barkley into a spider?
That episode terrified me as a child. The jump scare where Tarantarkey smashes his face against the wall was something else. That and Troi in the bathtub like the Creature from the Black Lagoon with her gills.

...and Spot being an iguana.
 
That episode terrified me as a child. The jump scare where Tarantarkey smashes his face against the wall was something else. That and Troi in the bathtub like the Creature from the Black Lagoon with her gills.

...and Spot being an iguana.
That was a terrifying episode. I dont think Barkley ever recovered from having a illness named after him
 
That episode terrified me as a child. The jump scare where Tarantarkey smashes his face against the wall was something else. That and Troi in the bathtub like the Creature from the Black Lagoon with her gills.

...and Spot being an iguana.
It scared the bejesus out of my as a kid as well. I was expected my usual after school episode of Star Trek, instead I got my first dose of Cronenberg body horror.
 
Salve your autism by remembering that it was a prototype that never entered production. It's likely some vice admiral had it as a pet project and kept pushing for its completion and test, long after it was clear it was a complete boondoggle, just because getting it completed might get him across the line to that coveted fourth pip.
Well, the boat did appear in VOY's finale episode. They didn't put it into storage like they did with the Defiant.
That was a terrifying episode. I dont think Barkley ever recovered from having a illness named after him
You know, Beverly Crusher is one of the most dangerous women in the galaxy. She created a retrovirus that transforms Klingons into Predator-esque killing machines. There is certainly a way to weaponize that.
 
Well, the boat did appear in VOY's finale episode. They didn't put it into storage like they did with the Defiant.
It's the 24th century Zumwalt. Once it was built they had to put it to some sort of use, so they kept it as a third rate planetary defence cruiser that stayed close to Sol. Just their luck that it was one of the only ships on patrol that day.
 
most recent STO episode/mission + the VR game coming at the end of the month:
Mmmmm, mixed feelings. It definitely has that "made to run on a cellphone" graphics so I expect it's coming out on the Quest. I do like that it's taking place on a defiant-like ship.

Also wanted to add, not quite Star Trek related, but just want to mention I have very fond of FASA as well because they created Shadowrun, which I still run to this day.
 
Youtube has been recommending me this Adam Schwartz guy's 1-man Trek comedy skits. Not breaking new ground or anything (there's only so many observations about Trek from which to derive jokes after all, and they've all been done to death) but still got a chuckle out of me.
 
Youtube has been recommending me this Adam Schwartz guy's 1-man Trek comedy skits. Not breaking new ground or anything (there's only so many observations about Trek from which to derive jokes after all, and they've all been done to death) but still got a chuckle out of me.
These are pretty funny. Except that holodeck one went in a different direction than I expected.:'(
 
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