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Fatsuit Shinji said:
Sisko was lucky Q had a more urgent matter to deal with elsewhere on DS9.
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I like "Q-Less", but it’s a warning shot for what Star Trek would do with its cameos. At this point, Q’s just a ratings stunt, there’s no other reason for him to be there. The episode could have been on TNG and nothing would have changed, because Vash has zero connection to DS9. They really tried to make her matter: she explored the Gamma Quadrant before the wormhole (so what?), she gives Quark a handjob...the oo-mox thing is the only part which sticks in my head. Then, poof, she’s gone.

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They hyped over two episodes that Q needed a companion to keep exploring the universe because he’s getting old and melancholic, then he jumps over to Voyager, and suddenly he’s got this sexual fixation on Janeway. Yeah, I know Mulgrew and de Lancie are friends IRL, that doesn’t make it any less self-indulgent.
 
Captain Syrup said:
They hyped over two episodes that Q needed a companion to keep exploring the universe because he’s getting old and melancholic, then he jumps over to Voyager, and suddenly he’s got this sexual fixation on Janeway. Yeah, I know Mulgrew and de Lancie are friends IRL, that doesn’t make it any less self-indulgent.
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I think the Voyager Q episodes were excellent. Death Wish is one of my favorites, and The Q and the Grey is fun too. Neat to see more Q than just de Lancie, and some stakes up there on Mt. Olympus.
 
m1ddl3m4rch said:
Beltran is a plank.
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Captain Syrup said:
Robert is kind of like Avery in that he only 'comes alive' in the episodes he decides are worth giving a shit about. But unlike Brooks, those episodes are so rare.

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You start to wonder if he pissed someone off in Creative.
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If I found out that the Native consultant was a Rachel Dolezal and that the writers didn't know what to do with my character, I would have done the same tbh.
 
Miller said:
If I found out that the Native consultant was a Rachel Dolezal and that the writers didn't know what to do with my character, I would have done the same tbh.
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I love that this guy only signed onto Star Trek: Voyager because "hell yeah, French arthouse captain":
"It would have been fun being her First Officer. Then I could have looked at her like Nancy Reagan at Ronnie all those years"
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And then she quit so fast, there is barely any surviving footage. :story:

Why didn’t they just write him off? They were booting people off that show constantly. They did it to Kes, "umm yeah he got space diarrhea and died."
 
Captain Syrup said:
Why didn’t they just write him off? They were booting people off that show constantly. They did it to Kes, "umm yeah he got space diarrhea and died."
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I read that it would've been Harry Kim but Garrett Wang was on the cover of People as sexiest chink or something so Kes was booted instead. Also Jeri Ryan's divorce got Obama her ex-husband's seat, which led to the presidency.
Captain Syrup said:
I like "Q-Less", but it’s a warning shot for what Star Trek would do with its cameos. At this point, Q’s just a ratings stunt, there’s no other reason for him to be there. The episode could have been on TNG and nothing would have changed, because Vash has zero connection to DS9. They really tried to make her matter: she explored the Gamma Quadrant before the wormhole (so what?), she gives Quark a handjob...the oo-mox thing is the only part which sticks in my head. Then, poof, she’s gone.
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It was a bottle episode too I think, so they saved on production costs.
Captain Syrup said:
They hyped over two episodes that Q needed a companion to keep exploring the universe because he’s getting old and melancholic, then he jumps over to Voyager, and suddenly he’s got this sexual fixation on Janeway. Yeah, I know Mulgrew and de Lancie are friends IRL, that doesn’t make it any less self-indulgent.
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Q always enjoyed messing with captains, it's just now he gets to flirt with one. Janeway rebuffs him. The female Q is great. She played Worfs mate
 
m1ddl3m4rch said:
I read that it would've been Harry Kim but Garrett Wang was on the cover of People as sexiest chink or something
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What a cursed magazine spread. People complain about Michelle Yeoh buying an Oscar, but at least she’s cool. She’s been cool for 40 years. She’s done things. Garrett Wang is not talented, he's not good looking, “sexy Harry Kim” sounds like a bit. If you polled female Star Trek fans (all twelve of them) every single one would rather hook up with literally anyone else.
 
Mussolini’s Merkin said:
Just finished watching These Are The Voyages... and my disappointment is once again immeasurable.
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It definitely belongs in the Hall of Fame of most embarrassing Star Trek moments.
  • Holodeck finale? Like a St. Elsewhere snow globe?
  • Fans were still salty about the Voyager finale. This time, they cut off right before Archer's big speech.
  • They mashed ENT and TNG characters together, after Bakula already said he’s not touching leftover TNG scripts!
  • But they still threw Troi in there :shit-eating:
 
Fatsuit Shinji said:
Sisko was lucky Q had a more urgent matter to deal with elsewhere on DS9.
Unfortunately for Sisko punching corporeal dignitaries as a greeting isn't exactly tolerated by Starfleet Command.
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I headcanon leaning into the idea that Q isn't _as_ omnipotent as he claims, and he's got a blind spot when it comes to people who are beyond space time, and a glass jaw to boot
look at how he shits himself when Guinan pulls a space kung fu stance at him
so demigod Sisko who's already been in the wormhole alien realm, Q realizes "oh shit this dude really just decked me, I have to go now forever"
 
Captain Syrup said:
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It definitely belongs in the Hall of Fame of most embarrassing Star Trek moments.
  • Holodeck finale? Like a St. Elsewhere snow globe?
  • Fans were still salty about the Voyager finale. This time, they cut off right before Archer's big speech.
  • They mashed ENT and TNG characters together, after Bakula already said he’s not touching leftover TNG scripts!
  • But they still threw Troi in there :shit-eating:
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If you take out the TNG stuff, tweak some stuff and remove the Tucker dying part I think the Enterprise crew story would be a great idea for a final episode.

Catching up with the crew after a time skip is a neat idea. Gives the audience a chance to see where they all are in their careers and gives the writers a chance to tie up any plot points/ write them some happy endings. You add into that a fun final side adventure with Shran, who's the fans favorite, maybe hint that he was once part of the crew. End it with Archer giving his big speech about the future of the Federation and you lead out with the TOS theme. Could have been great.

Instead we got... that.
 
Mussolini’s Merkin said:
If you take out the TNG stuff, tweak some stuff and remove the Tucker dying part I think the Enterprise crew story would be a great idea for a final episode.

Catching up with the crew after a time skip is a neat idea. Gives the audience a chance to see where they all are in their careers and gives the writers a chance to tie up any plot points/ write them some happy endings. You add into that a fun final side adventure with Shran, who's the fans favorite, maybe hint that he was once part of the crew. End it with Archer giving his big speech about the future of the Federation and you lead out with the TOS theme. Could have been great.

Instead we got... that.
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I just looked up Memory Alpha. The guys who kill Trip don't even have names. They’re just… denizens of Rigel X. Wherever that is.

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Different rubber aliens from Rigel X have been popping up since the pilot. A trio of them kill off a main character. No names, no lines of dialog, nothing. Imagine if Data sacrificed himself to stop some guest actor he never met.

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Oh.

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Also, why are they so obsessed with Shran that they send a boarding party to the Enterprise over… a diamond? He never stole a diamond. He faked his death so they would leave him alone. But then they find him alive, kidnap his daughter, and hold her ransom for a diamond he doesn't have.

And on top of that, Shran’s like “Archer owes me big!” and somehow ends up getting Archer’s oldest friend killed. So now he owes Archer, again. :lossmanjack:
 
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Mussolini’s Merkin said:
Just finished watching These Are The Voyages... and my disappointment is once again immeasurable.
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That's why you quit after Terra Prime.

I go with the books and say that These Are The Voyages is manufactured Section 31 holo-garbage and that Trip is still alive, undercover and fucking all those alien chicks and getting shit done.
 
Van Darkholme said:
I go with the books and say that These Are The Voyages is manufactured Section 31 holo-garbage and that Trip is still alive, undercover and fucking all those alien chicks and getting shit done.
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Well, that is exactly what Section 31 would do to protect one of their own. I can imagine Trip was doing based shit and fucking hot aliens for the next 50 years at least.
 
Hey Johnny Bravo said:
I wanted to watch all of Voyager, but I watched it with my wife. We got to the Amelia Earhart episode and my wife said, I shit you not, "this show is too girl-power-y. Can we watch something else?" She liked TNG, DS9, and ENT, but couldn't stand Voyager because of Janeway. I didn't like Voyager enough to finish it myself.
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That's a keeper right there.
 
I knew about Tucker because I watched the finale when it was actually airing, just randomly tuned in. "Oh Enterprise's fucking done huh?"

As I watch the show for real this time around it really sucks because he's a really likable character and don't think he deserved to go that way.
 
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