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If you knew nothing of ST, you'd think the cube is some ship, not the big ass monstrosity that it really was. It is definitely an advanced technology that Starfleet underestimated.

Speaking of, I always wondered how life on earth was during the battle. Picard's brother knew what happened to Jean Luc, I wonder if they found out while it was happening. They don't have TV, but they do have journalists.
 
If you knew nothing of ST, you'd think the cube is some ship, not the big ass monstrosity that it really was. It is definitely an advanced technology that Starfleet underestimated.
A Borg cube is the about same width as Manhattan. And pretty fast for their city-sized bulk. They can reach warp 8.

The Enterprise-D is huge for a ship, but next to a cube it looks toy-sized.
 
Whats your opinion on that Voyager game that came out some months ago? You think they should make more games of similar premise for the other Star Trek series?
I meant to do a proper writeup of it, but since its been a few weeks since I finished it, its not exactly fresh in my memory.

-The morale mechanic's kind of annoying. You can only spend so much time in a level before the crew start to whine about you taking too long to get them home. Once you hit that point, morale starts to plummet, even if you want to do the sidequests.
-Speaking of, you want to do the main quests first, since main and sidemissions take days to complete since you always have to research some kind of tech. If you do the side missions first, you'll likely run out of resources and end up losing because Voyager's a real fuel guzzler.
-Sometimes the crew will make requests, sometimes they're reasonable, like build another weapons system aboard, but one of them is "Demolish this room, we don't like the feng shui", which can be pretty retarded depending on what they're asking you to scrap.
-If a main character dies, they'll be replaced with a generic crewmen to replace them. Which is fine in most cases, but they give you the backup crewman even in cases where it doesn't really fit, like if you keep Tuxiv instead of splitting them apart again, then you get Backup Talaxian and Asian Security Chief. Ditto if you split B'elanna into a Human and Klingon and don't restore her to her hybrid self.
-Some of the characters they choose to add feel a little random. I said this earlier, but there's no Lon Suder, which feels like an odd exclusion to me, but apparently the DLC lets you recruit...this guy
I was kinda disappointed they didn't have Lynsday Ballard or the stranded Ferengi in some form too. No Samantha Wildman either.
 
Speaking of, I always wondered how life on earth was during the battle. Picard's brother knew what happened to Jean Luc, I wonder if they found out while it was happening. They don't have TV, but they do have journalists.
It really depends. Robert knew something had happened to Jean-Luc, and that he was a mess. But he didn't necessarily know the cause.

The Borg attack was the single greatest threat to Earth since the whale probe incident 80 years prior. It's easy to imagine the government hasn't made public that the entire planet's population was one clever Android away from being horrifically turned into cyborg zombies.

The common man was probably aware of some emergency, and maybe even knew something had happened with Starfleet at Wolf 359, but it's likely they didn't know much more than that.
 
I like the various theories about the surviving ship.

Personally, I think it's the boring answer: The ship that survived was the Enterprise. She was expected to be at the battle until they blew the entire warp drive out and showed up late.

In the Shatner books, it was a Nebula class ship, and while it technically "survived", it was assimilated and sent back to Borg space.

The opening of DS9 is a retcon, it was strongly implied in BoBW that there were no survivors, no escape pods.
 
It really depends. Robert knew something had happened to Jean-Luc, and that he was a mess. But he didn't necessarily know the cause.
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Starfleet redacted the entire Locutus thing. In the "Yesterday’s Enterprise" timeline they were lying through their teeth about how the Federation-Klingon war was going so well.

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Robert’s on the vineyard reading the news like, “hmm, looks like my smug Astro Boy brother finally ate shit for once." Robert just knows the headline version.

Jean-Luc shows up and Robert’s still doing the whole “ohhh the USS No-Bitches finally came home,” just being a complete asshole for thirty minutes. He doesn't realize his brother is turbo-fucked emotionally.

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Then he flips into big-brother mode, “alright, come here you bald nerd."
 
He doesn't realize his brother is turbo-fucked emotionally.
I actually think this is incorrect. He knew, and he knew Jean-Luc was killing himself holding whatever it was in. Robert was being the protective big brother the entire time, in his own assholish way.

The moment they finish their fight and start laughing in the mud he immediately turns into a therapist.

"You were asking for it, you know."

"Yes, but you needed it. You have been terribly hard on yourself..."

At which point Picard breaks down in one of the most emotionally effective moments in the entire series. It's really a great scene, beautifully acted by Stewart and Kemp.

And then the whole family dies in a fire to provide Picard with a cheap source of melancholia in Generations. I hate that fucking movie.
 
I actually think this is incorrect. He knew, and he
And then the whole family dies in a fire to provide Picard with a cheap source of melancholia in Generations. I hate that fucking movie.
I kept quiet when you brought up Nemesis a few pages back, because honestly, I’ve got nothing new to add. But I admit it’s a better movie than Generations.

Kirk and Picard had plenty of options open. The script has to bend their personalities to make them family men.

But I might have let that slide, if not for that lazy-ass ghost-family hallucination at Christmas. Hell even Schwarzenegger did that schmaltzy Frank Capra shit.

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Robert Picard is based in his own ways. He runs that family business that has been around for centuries. He doesn't give a fuck about space. He's right about replicators and all that technobabble shit. He slapped some sense into his brother. But he also thinks about the future in ways Jean-Luc never did: he has a son.
 
Robert Picard is based in his own ways. He runs that family business that has been around for centuries. He doesn't give a fuck about space. He's right about replicators and all that technobabble shit. He slapped some sense into his brother. But he also thinks about the future in ways Jean-Luc never did: he has a son.
Too bad they all died in a house fire in the 24th fucking century. How do you fuck up that much that an entire family dies in a house fire? That shit is rare today.
 
He doesn't realize his brother is turbo-fucked emotionally.
I think he knew the second he saw Jean-Luc but couldn't find a way to break the "Starfleet Captain" shield. Like @Phillip Green said, the fight in the mud is what finally breaks Jean-Luc.

At which point Picard breaks down in one of the most emotionally effective moments in the entire series. It's really a great scene, beautifully acted by Stewart and Kemp.
There's a similar episode on ENT where Archer has to deal with his PTSD after what he went through in the third season.
 
Robert Picard is based in his own ways. He runs that family business that has been around for centuries. He doesn't give a fuck about space. He's right about replicators and all that technobabble shit. He slapped some sense into his brother. But he also thinks about the future in ways Jean-Luc never did: he has a son.
The choice to kill off the Picard family is even more fucked up, then. René Picard was supposed to be Jean-Luc Jr.

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Who gives a shit, the nu-Trek writers wouldn’t have done anything interesting with him anyway. I'm guessing it was just some half-assed hack job so Moore could pad his film credits, because he admitted the time-travel plot makes no sense.

Naturally there’s barely anything about pre-production on the wiki, because by then Trek had degraded into permanent spin mode.
If Rene Picard wasn't already dead imagine what Chabon and Goldsman would have done. Yikes
They actually did shit out a random Picard cousin named Renée as a cute reference, ha ha.

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She goes to Europa, which somehow rewrites human history in some offscreen bullshit we never see. Then she spills her guts to a doctor who turns out to be Q, which is suspiciously similar to Sherlock season 4, but then again, it's been done a million times in other things.

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Annnd... that’s it, she leaves. Later they throw in Jack in the next season, so Renée might as well have never existed.
 
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Too bad they all died in a house fire in the 24th fucking century. How do you fuck up that much that an entire family dies in a house fire? That shit is rare today.
The worst part here is that this shit had zero effects on Jean-Luc. It was solely done for cheap shock value, and one had to be really deep into Trek-lore to know who any of these people were and why Picard was emotionally devastated for two minutes. If you cut that scene from Generations, nothing of consequence would be lost. I probably would have ended the film with Picard returning to Earth to gift Robert the family photo album: "It took the loss of my ship for me to realize how valuable that actually is, and I want you to have it."
 
The worst part here is that this shit had zero effects on Jean-Luc. It was solely done for cheap shock value, and one had to be really deep into Trek-lore to know who any of these people were and why Picard was emotionally devastated for two minutes.
The most that does is kickstart an arc about Picard regretting not settling down, but that barely goes anywhere other than one scene in the Nexus and maybe later on when he convinces Kirk to help him instead of wallowing in what could have been.
 
Too bad they all died in a house fire in the 24th fucking century. How do you fuck up that much that an entire family dies in a house fire? That shit is rare today.
They have much better incendiaries and accelerants in the 24th century. Some kid doing a science experiment could easily replicate a rocket propellant and set his entire house on fire.

But seriously, it was probably a family annihilator murder-suicide.
 
The worst part here is that this shit had zero effects on Jean-Luc. It was solely done for cheap shock value
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The reason he finds out about the fire is to motivate him go to... the observatory with Soran?

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And of course Kirk and Picard have no chemistry. So they slap in a stuntwoman ‘Antonia,’ the one who got away, to pretend they’re on the same path. Which they’re not.

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The thing which really gets me is the lack of fanservice. Even the shittiest Trek movies have something, you know. A cat stripper or Uhura in La Cage aux Folles, some nonsense. Eye candy at least. In Generations we get the Duras sisters and some stunt double on a horse. Because Shatner refused to do it unless they let him ride a horse.
 
To this day, Frakes is assmad that the movies he directed aren't as beloved as DS9.
Meanwhile he’s bragging about shooting everything in two takes. That’s not directing,:mad:

They keep dragging him out of retirement for Starfleet Academy. To his dismay, the writers are being bullied by the internet.

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At this point his credibility with Trek fans is on par with Willie Garson lecturing SATC fans.

Mike Stoklasa pointed out that random two-part TNG episodes were better than the movies. I'd go further. Season 7 got goofy, sure, ghost candles, that episode where the holodeck thinks the Enterprise is a steam train...

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...but Generations is on par with a season 1 episode. That's humiliating.
 
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