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It's because they are redditors and don't like the religion stuff in DS9.
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Mike would love Voyager because he has the taste of a tacky gay man.
By season two you realize the show is kabuki theater. The cold open starts and Neelix walks in smiling like a pedophile teacher, today it's a daycare episode. We’re learning about sharing feelings! Every shuttlecraft Tuvok enters explodes. Tom shows up every week like, “guys I made a 1950s drive-in theater on the holodeck,” like he thinks Elvis is underground music. After a while your brain just goes numb because you can predict the entire episode from the teaser.
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I don't think that's it. I've spoken to other Trek fans in-person and, independently of each other, they always say "it didn't feel like Star Trek." The problem was that it's not set on a space ship and there's little to no exploration, which is a core theme of TOS, TNG, VOY, and ENT. You also need to watch DS9 and invest more time because there's more continuity - not that the other series lacked continuity, but you could not sit down and watch a single episode of DS9 the same way you could the other series.
Another criticism of DS9 is that it explores the limits of the Federation. There is more political intrigue. Rather than a single rogue officer storyline (Maxwell in TNG), you had full-on conspiracies in DS9 (Leyton et al). The Federation hides its failures (e.g. the genetically enhanced rejects being institutionalized against their will). You even have Starfleet itself agreeing to manufacturing evidence to trick another power into supporting a war. Section 31 also rubbed a lot of people the wrong way.
DS9 was very different from Trek shows before and after it, making it a little controversial. It doesn't help that the cast and crew of other Trek series shit on DS9. Shatner is a legendary asshole, Stewart was openly hostile on set for the first season, Jeri Ryan slept with Brannon Braga to get her role, and so on. That gets swept under the rug, but DS9 and Brooks is the outlier that... produced seven seasons without any weird controversies, except for Terry Farrell getting fired because she wouldn't sleep with Rick Berman? People make shit up about Avery Brooks to this day.
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That's the feeling I've always got, both inside the show's universe and out of it. DS9 has its own vision of the Star Trek world ( for instance, until season 5, starship crews wore the TNG uniforms and the color-on-shoulders uniform was only for space station staff. This was ignored by the people making Generations and Voyager). And the production of DS9 seems to have taken place in a mostly drama-free bubble, unlike the other shows.
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Brooks keeping everything professional and serious may get mocked by other Trek cast, but it kept the show from going off the rails.
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I like DS9 but usually skip most of the first season. I recall at least these three major points RLM had about Voyager from the video: 1. S1 Voyager was stronger than S1 DS9, Voyager, 2. Voyager S1 was basically TNG episodes, and they would have had a fair hearing if they were TNG, 3. Voyager is most like Trek, a continuation of TOS - TNG - VOY. DS9 is the dissimilar one, not worse, but intentionally dissimilar.
I didn't think I was tacky.
I thought it was a nice pastiche of Americana.
That's all Trek though.
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Kek, my sides.
TNG had the seeds for those plot lines: the blue gills, the kids on Darwin Station, the various admirals that went rogue (by usually not doing anything wrong), the multiple times some random admiral comes aboard to pick apart the ship and crew, the times Starfleet wanted to recruit members of the senior staff for more nefarious purposes and so and so on.
TNG never showed us the in-universe consequences of those. DS9 at least tried to tell the audience that this shit doesn't happen in a vacuum. As early as TNG's S1 I had this feeling the Federation isn't the paradise people make it out to be and that Q is absolutely right - humanity is still a savage, violent childrace. It's just contained by a vast bureaucratic apparatus masquerading as the garden of Eden.
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Just the name alone made me not want to watch it. Jetrel? Is he friends with Kit Fisto and Ima-Gun Di?
I wonder if it was inspired by Star Trek: The Motion Picture where the transporter mangles those poor crew members and you hear them screaming while half-materialized. What if space-Oppenheimer scattered people into atoms and convinced himself he could math his way into bringing them back? Chilling proposition.
Neelix is the emotional center....I just don’t buy that old sitcom trope where the comic relief has an inner darkness. He runs around pretending to be the ship’s ambassador, chef, morale officer, mascot...why does everyone indulge this? bEcAUsE OthErwIsE hE wILL EmOtIOnALLy crAtEr.
Why can’t he just be a hustler in space? That’s funnier and more believable.
Maybe I’m overthinking it and they just wanted to give Ethan Phillips something meaty to act against. But it also reminds me of how Star Trek: Deep Space Nine tried to retcon Worf. He used to be a wild and crazy Klingon until he killed someone. Why can’t Worf just be a tight-ass by nature?
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That's why Quark was so good. He is what he is and there's no tryhard bullshit.
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It tickles me that the people who want the Federation to be real the hardest are the same ones who refuse to understand what needs to be done for something like the Federation to exist.
You can pretend that S31 doesn't need to exist to make yourself feel better, but the fact of the matter is that if men like Sloan or Sisko didn't exist then Earth would be getting gangbanged by Jem-Hadar, or Romulans, or Klingons, or the fucking Pakleds before Picard could write his first Reddit post.
That's just reality. Sometimes you need to get shit done.
"On Earth, there is no poverty, no crime, no war. You look out the window of Starfleet Headquarters and you see paradise. Well, it's easy to be a saint in paradise."
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I really wish we had a series about the USS Enterprise J. That big Universe Class that was at the battle of Procyon 5
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Star Trek keeps teasing all these future Enterprises that show up for one episode. Quit blue balling me with timeships.
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Youre right, they need to balance it out with past ships that turn up in single episodes. Wheres the crew of Enterprise suddenly appearing in a beat up Ford pickup
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A few years ago I saw Sharon Lawrence in a tiny two-act play, and I had to fight the urge to start shouting "WAIT THERE'S A NAME TAG HERE: A. EARHART!"
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That was a really fun episode, the few sprinklings we got of past people seeing the future, trying to comprehend it were gems
Remember that bastard that stole a time machine and tried to bullshit his way around Enterprise as a future historian
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Turns out he’s just some grifter from New Jersey, which is great. His master plan would’ve crashed and burned even if Picard hadn’t outsmarted him, how the hell do you explain building a shuttlecraft, phasers and a fully functional life-size positronic android in your garage?
Robin Williams passed on the role, but Matt Frewer is such a good understudy, he reminds you of Jim Carrey but without the baggage.
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Frewer really brought in a lot of good sleezy energy to the character. His whole masquerade felt to paper thin.
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Robin Williams passed on the role, but Matt Frewer is such a good understudy, he reminds you of Jim Carrey but without the baggage.
What is with time travelers losing their ships to people in the past?
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Braxton running his mouth at Janeway is pretty rich. Considering his dumb ass bailed out of his timeship. Then some desert-dwelling Bill Gates found it while high on peyote.
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Didnt he flip out because of himself in the end, setting up a loop of his own stupidity and losing his own job?