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I looked up some stuff related to Star Trek.
TOS ran for only 3 years.
It was supposed to be cancelled after 2 but a fan letter campaign extended it.
Gene tried to get it on for years before he finally managed to find some money and talent. Then he had to fight the studio who wanted to turn it into a generic action adventure show.
Charitable they too might have had to fight Gene going to heavy on the gooner in space fantasy.
After it died he got the offer to buy the rights to it, failed to get the money and lost the chance.
The Roddenberry estate could have owned star trek.
Instead he tried to secure a movie deal.
10 years.
It took a decade for him to do this.
Star Wars made people look around for decent scifi deals and they found what at that point must have been a kooky old show that didn't get far.
Star Trek the Motion picture was made for the still strong fan base and is famously slow. After that picture he got less control of the follow up and Wrath of Khan was a huge success, ensuring he would have less control of latter movies as well.
Then they made a bunch of those movies until he finally managed to get The Next generation going.
That aired 20-21 years after TOS.
TNG became a huge success. It helped solidify star trek as an icon of scifi.
The first season is famously considered bad. It was very akin to ToS, kooky, focused on strange cultures, belief systems, people.
Crucially it shifted in the 2nd session to character drama, not action adventure. A perfect fit.
Once more Roddenberry was pushed into more of a consultant role.
He passed away somewhere at the beginning or middle of DS9.
Both DS9 and Voyager has pretty bad last seasons and since then everything just gets worse.
In the 2010s Paramount destroyed a number of fan projects, and nu trek is as people know.
The once rock solid fan base is also aging more and more.
Star Trek existed because Gene Roddenberry was insane and dedicated his life to fight the suits at Paramount in order to make them billions.
It flourished best when he had some but not total control and worked with a team that had some understanding and talent.
The IP started to dissolve after he passed, helped by Paramount deliberately damaging the solid supply of talent they had available, pushing them out, suing them, or failing to utilize them.
I've looked at the Paramount website by the way. The job and career pages are very fake positivity. Very 'omg hashtags us, so valid' That toxic positive stereotype. Like a forced smile.
You want good star Trek you need someone like Rodenberry, a creative with insane dedication.
Then you need someone to constrain him, but that second person must know what the hell they are doing.
This feels applicable to all larger ips. You get some insane creative to be the main driving force, build up the world, the feel, when they aren't around any longer everything flounders.
TOS ran for only 3 years.
It was supposed to be cancelled after 2 but a fan letter campaign extended it.
Gene tried to get it on for years before he finally managed to find some money and talent. Then he had to fight the studio who wanted to turn it into a generic action adventure show.
Charitable they too might have had to fight Gene going to heavy on the gooner in space fantasy.
After it died he got the offer to buy the rights to it, failed to get the money and lost the chance.
The Roddenberry estate could have owned star trek.
Instead he tried to secure a movie deal.
10 years.
It took a decade for him to do this.
Star Wars made people look around for decent scifi deals and they found what at that point must have been a kooky old show that didn't get far.
Star Trek the Motion picture was made for the still strong fan base and is famously slow. After that picture he got less control of the follow up and Wrath of Khan was a huge success, ensuring he would have less control of latter movies as well.
Then they made a bunch of those movies until he finally managed to get The Next generation going.
That aired 20-21 years after TOS.
TNG became a huge success. It helped solidify star trek as an icon of scifi.
The first season is famously considered bad. It was very akin to ToS, kooky, focused on strange cultures, belief systems, people.
Crucially it shifted in the 2nd session to character drama, not action adventure. A perfect fit.
Once more Roddenberry was pushed into more of a consultant role.
He passed away somewhere at the beginning or middle of DS9.
Both DS9 and Voyager has pretty bad last seasons and since then everything just gets worse.
In the 2010s Paramount destroyed a number of fan projects, and nu trek is as people know.
The once rock solid fan base is also aging more and more.
Star Trek existed because Gene Roddenberry was insane and dedicated his life to fight the suits at Paramount in order to make them billions.
It flourished best when he had some but not total control and worked with a team that had some understanding and talent.
The IP started to dissolve after he passed, helped by Paramount deliberately damaging the solid supply of talent they had available, pushing them out, suing them, or failing to utilize them.
I've looked at the Paramount website by the way. The job and career pages are very fake positivity. Very 'omg hashtags us, so valid' That toxic positive stereotype. Like a forced smile.
You want good star Trek you need someone like Rodenberry, a creative with insane dedication.
Then you need someone to constrain him, but that second person must know what the hell they are doing.
This feels applicable to all larger ips. You get some insane creative to be the main driving force, build up the world, the feel, when they aren't around any longer everything flounders.
