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Curzon Dax-sama said:
You know, the switch to the P90 always struck me as weird. They basically abandoned the German Autismo Spray and Pray for the Belgian contraption that's outright engineered with dark magic. Maybe they realized the 9x19 parabellum is too powerful for interstellar war and the GOOLD might lodge a protest in space court, I don't know... I mean, it's a cool looking gun, quite futuristic and all that.
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Purely because the show's armourer's gun tism was upset by them using pistol calibres so he talked FN into supplying a bunch and pitched the switch. Apparently it was way better for filming for a bunch of reasons but it sounds like the main reason was because the producers were happy they could fill up some runtime by doing a switchover episode? There's an interview with him explaining it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9oCdr0HvCc
 
Mr. Racewar1488 said:
Lexx is too weird and too Canadian.
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Lexx hate, now I know this thread is full of boomers! Farscape gets tons of praise for being "weird", but I've been making my way through the first season and I've yet to have my mind blown. Lexx was real gonzo and a little creepy. A couple of great episodes:


 
Hey Johnny Bravo said:
I'm re-watching The Orville. I don't know about you guys.
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I'm about to finish re-watching the final season of Stargate Atlantis. That one is the weakest, I think. After that, maybe Farscape.

Xev said:
I may have been the only person who liked Stargate Universe but that's an option.
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You are not alone, I like it too. The show had some really good sci-fi ideas.
Fatsuit Shinji said:
Sci-Fi fucked over most of the first season by trying to make it Nu Battlestar Galactica lite. Series did course corrected back to being Stargate-ish albeit still more serious. But the damage had been done in viewership and ratings, leading to its cancelation.
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Syfy cancelled it because they didn't want to be the only one producing it as MGM was going bankrupt at the same time and Syfy wanted to move away from science-fiction shows in favor of wrestling and reality shows.
 
Mr. Racewar1488 said:
Lexx is too weird and too Canadian.
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You definitely have to be in the right state of mind. It might be closer to reality than most science fiction.

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Curzon Dax-sama said:
You know, the switch to the P90 always struck me as weird. They basically abandoned the German Autismo Spray and Pray for the Belgian contraption that's outright engineered with dark magic. Maybe they realized the 9x19 parabellum is too powerful for interstellar war and the GOOLD might lodge a protest in space court, I don't know... I mean, it's a cool looking gun, quite futuristic and all that.
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The MP5 was seen as a "cool" gun because it appeared in images of special forces. Then the P90 came out and that became the "cool" gun because it appeared in images of special forces. That's literally it. It's the same thing as today's media where you see AR platforms with a bazillion gadgets.
 
Captain Syrup said:
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Garak is the funniest “redeemed villain” because he never actually redeems himself. “Yeah I tortured people for the Cardassian Union."

He didn't really repent, he just burned out. The state he devoted his life to was run by idiots.

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Then, his brain implant starts frying him randomly, like his own nervous system becomes an interrogation room.

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Another funny moment is that shuttle scene where he says any effort expended to save the orphans would be a net loss. What an asshole!:story:
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The thing I liked about garek was that he learned to genuinely appreciate and understand the mentality of good people. Like he's a bad man, he'll never stop knowing how to be a bad man. But he realized the party way wasn't the only way In the end.

The moment he let those anti cardi protesters go is the moment his mindless glowie patriotism for the system cracks. Sure it was a selfish act born out of being betrayed, but this was his first taste of being good... And he liked it.


In a way his arc was all about learning to let go of his mindless conditioning and love Cardassia for what it was and not what he wanted it to be.
 
Probably more than just looks. The P90 ejects downwards so you don't have to worry about RDA's face or a camera lens getting hit with flying brass. It's shaped like a plank so you don't have to toss as many takes of the rubber ones bending 90 degrees as stunt men kirkroll around. It's compact and doesn't really have any stick-outy bits to catch on cables or accidentally rip the latex vagina off an extra's forehead. I'm not surprised so many productions liked it.
It's interesting-looking but I'm not sure it'd scream "cool" or "serious military business" if we lived in a timeline where it didn't get associated with cool things.
 
Michael Wade said:
The moment he let those anti cardi protesters go is the moment his mindless glowie patriotism for the system cracks.
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Lang is played by Mary Crosby, the aunt of Denise Crosby. Also she was in North and South with Jonathan Frakes?

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Frakes plays the little brother of Patrick Swayze who craves approval, and Crosby is his wife who’s just constantly scheming like Lady Macbeth. They kept introducing new siblings every season and they were all Confederate assholes.

She is good as Lang. As usual the wig looks awful. They tried so many wigs on the Cardassian women.

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Captain Syrup said:
She is good as Lang. As usual the wig looks awful. They tried so many wigs on the Cardassian women.
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Yeah they improved once they started giving them ornate geisha hairstyling. Shimada works for Cardassian women, who already sorta look like over made-up Asians.
 
CervixHammer said:
Pic related: 790 in the right state of mind. I'd like to yo-way-yo her home va-rey if you know what I mean.
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Supposedly they couldn’t find a wig for Zev that matched whatever color the producer wanted, so they just started dunking her head in Easter egg dye. That stuff is for eggs, not humans.

That’s how you know it’s low-budget sci-fi 🤗
 
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Hunter Hearst Helmsley said:
Lexx is a bad mushroom trip, Farscape is a good one.
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One of the things that makes Lexx distinct from other sci-fi TV shows of the era, and current year scifi as well I suppose, is that underneath the adventuring, bizarre characters and environments, and the humor, there is the extremely bleak message that nothing anyone does actually matters. Throughout the second season we see world after world being destroyed moments after Lexx leaves, in the third season we see that Heaven and Hell are just two planets where people rematerialize a few hours after their bodies are destroyed, and in the fourth season we see that, even when given a second or third chance, these people continue to be fuckups, even Kai.

Beyond all that is the fact that time is circular, and events repeat themselves so precisely that you can predict the future by looking into the past. There's no escaping even if you were to kill yourself in order to reincarnate, since eventually the universe will reset and you will suffer in the same way all over again.

Trek says that the future is bright, man will continue to grow and perfect himself in a universe filled with friends. Lexx says that the universe is filled with insane people who want to torture and rape you, and there is literally no future at all. If Trek is Asimov, Lexx is Moorcock (not a fair comparison to either author, but there you are).

Captain Syrup said:
That’s how you know it’s low-budget sci-fi 🤗
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Captain Syrup said:
Zev had that whole “European art-house" look.

Xev is doing more emoting. I couldn't get past the ridiculous lip and breast implants.
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In the late 90s/early 2000s they were really pushing this artificial, bimbo-like look as the new paradigm of hotness, especially in media aimed at adolescent boys. I'm glad that's over.

(Zev is obviously more attractive, anyway. Who would you rather see smile at you?)
 
Mr. Racewar1488 said:
Lexx is too weird and too Canadian. I watched it as it aired because it'd come on after Hercules and Xena and tried rewatching it during covid and couldn't get through it.
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Sayer of the N-Word said:
Lexx hate, now I know this thread is full of boomers! Farscape gets tons of praise for being "weird", but I've been making my way through the first season and I've yet to have my mind blown. Lexx was real gonzo and a little creepy. A couple of great episodes:
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Lexx isn't the easiest to watch in YooL 2026, I get it, and I don't even know if I can give it a solid recommend despite me really liking it. But for those who can get past how dated it is, there's actually something very very strange and special in there with some legit creepiness and bizarro 1960s acid-infused SF world-building considerations.

Still think it's mostly for Canadians and weird, lonely children left alone with their TVs too much growing up. Unsure who showed it in the States and at what time but there was a distinct period in the 90s where in Canuckistan with cable and the brand new minted additional specialty channels (notable Space: The Imagination Station) you could barely swing a stick without coming across something that fulfilled the following requirements: Cheap and considered Canadian-Content to appease state regulators. There was a secret third one there, which was Bizarre, since the people running these stations had no idea what they were doing and just green-lit as much insane things as possible.

1990s Canadian TV landscape was a strange and wonderful wasteland that had the occasional hallucinogenic oasis.
 
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