Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

[Flexo]

Feral Historian discusses the Kahless episode.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

Did they do GEOD? Thought they just did Dune Messiah and Children of Dune in the second series.

That's correct, my wording was a little vague, sorry, I meant the stuff they did (up to but not including god emperor) at least made the case it _can_ be done, even if the budget wasn't quite up to the task. But yeah it only went through Children.
But yeah the general thrust of Leto II bugging about what a drag it is being god makes for a good read but lacking for kino

 

[Curzon Dax-sama]

Feral Historian discusses the Kahless episode.

They should have cloned pre-UDC Chang. He would have wiped the floor with Duras, Gowron and the other retards.

 

[Gay Sex Enjoyer]

They should have cloned pre-UDC Chang. He would have wiped the floor with Duras, Gowron and the other retards.

Be honest, Captain, warrior to warrior, you do prefer it this way, don't you? As it was meant to be? No peace in our time. "Once more unto the breach, dear friends."

 

[Flexo]

Should you join and play the efforts to keep the old trek card game alive? Let me offer a compelling argument:


Yes. DS9's greatest character is a card.



In both versions.

 

[Dragged Into Sunlight]

Just watched the DS9 episode The Ship. The ending is so dumb. They're all sad that the injured shapeshifter died and wished they had just worked together and the Vorta had the gall to lay a guilt trip on them that she hoped the captured ship was worth the lives. Bitch, you warped into the system and immediately blew up the runabout that was orbiting the planet. Sometimes the writers tried too hard to make the war seem to be shades of gray. The fact is that the Dominion was incredibly violent and bent on subjugation everything solid so it was super annoying that they kept trying to make us feel sorry for them at points. The Federation was incredibly naive at points.

 

[Gromit the Claymation Dog]

Just watched the DS9 episode The Ship. The ending is so dumb. They're all sad that the injured shapeshifter died and wished they had just worked together and the Vorta had the gall to lay a guilt trip on them that she hoped the captured ship was worth the lives. Bitch, you warped into the system and immediately blew up the runabout that was orbiting the planet. Sometimes the writers tried too hard to make the war seem to be shades of gray. The fact is that the Dominion was incredibly violent and bent on subjugation everything solid so it was super annoying that they kept trying to make us feel sorry for them at points. The Federation was incredibly naive at points.

Is that the episode with the Mexican guy that also dies? I remember the episode starting with O’Brien being best friends with him even though I’d never seen him before and I immediately thought, “he’s gonna die.”

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

Just watched the DS9 episode The Ship. The ending is so dumb. They're all sad that the injured shapeshifter died and wished they had just worked together and the Vorta had the gall to lay a guilt trip on them that she hoped the captured ship was worth the lives. Bitch, you warped into the system and immediately blew up the runabout that was orbiting the planet. Sometimes the writers tried too hard to make the war seem to be shades of gray. The fact is that the Dominion was incredibly violent and bent on subjugation everything solid so it was super annoying that they kept trying to make us feel sorry for them at points. The Federation was incredibly naive at points.

I think the crew was more upset about losing people over something that could have been avoided. The Vorta had to return to the Dominion and explain how a Founder died.

 

[Dragged Into Sunlight]

Is that the episode with the Mexican guy that also dies? I remember the episode starting with O’Brien being best friends with him even though I’d never seen him before and I immediately thought, “he’s gonna die.”

That's the one, Muniz. The second they became him and act like he's always been around, you know he's dead.

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

That's the one, Muniz. The second they became him and act like he's always been around, you know he's dead.

To be fair, Muniz was in a few episodes before he got killed.

 

[Meriasek]

That's correct, my wording was a little vague, sorry, I meant the stuff they did (up to but not including god emperor) at least made the case it _can_ be done, even if the budget wasn't quite up to the task. But yeah it only went through Children.
But yeah the general thrust of Leto II bugging about what a drag it is being god makes for a good read but lacking for kino.

Ah. Yeah, the mini series were pretty cool and faithful. I still enjoy their lofi CGI charme.

 

[Captain Syrup]

That's the one, Muniz. The second they became him and act like he's always been around, you know he's dead.

The minute they pull the "old friend" card he's either got 12 minutes to live, or he's going to sell everyone out.

 

[Mr. Racewar1488]

New lore just dropped:

The System Lords defeated the Klingon Empire. The SG1 set designers clearly meant it as a joke since it's in the episode with Dr. Phlox.

 

[Mussolini’s Merkin]

and the Vorta had the gall to lay a guilt trip on them that she hoped the captured ship was worth the lives. Bitch, you warped into the system and immediately blew up the runabout that was orbiting the planet.

She was just practicing the refined Vorta pastime of ‘gaslight, girlboss, gatekeep’.
I always assumed she was just fucking with the Sisko, trying to exploit their empathy.

 

[Captain Syrup]

She was just practicing the refined Vorta pastime of ‘gaslight, girlboss, gatekeep’.
I always assumed she was just fucking with the Sisko, trying to exploit their empathy.

Every Sisko/Vorta interaction is gold. You can tell he hates them in a way that’s more personal than just “enemy faction” stuff.

There’s a line in "Rocks and Shoals" where he’s talking to the Jem’Hadar man-to-man. Then the subject of Weyoun comes up and his face just does this.

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

She was just practicing the refined Vorta pastime of ‘gaslight, girlboss, gatekeep’.
I always assumed she was just fucking with the Sisko, trying to exploit their empathy.

I actually disagree. Weyoun kept his word when he worked with Sisko to stop the renegade Jem'Hadar. Keevan kept his word with Sisko in "Rocks and Shoals," which was a fantastic episode. You could really tell Sisko wanted to spare Remata'Klan and not Keevan. @Captain Syrup is right: Sisko respected the Jem'Hadar, but the Vorta disgusted him.

I think Kilana's offer was genuine. She wanted to save the Founder. What's one space ship compared to the life of a god?

 

[Miller]

New lore just dropped:
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The System Lords defeated the Klingon Empire. The SG1 set designers clearly meant it as a joke since it's in the episode with Dr. Phlox.

It's like in SG-1 season 2 or 3 when they found a device that could send people to a parallel universe, the portal looked like a scaled-down version of the Guardian of Forever.

 

[Mr. Racewar1488]

TNG season 15 keeps getting weirder and weirder. First Dr. Phlox and Red Green's brother are shooting people with snake phasers and now Q is stealing a ship:

There was even an episode where Odo was a literal Hitler. Someone should have stopped Berman after season 7 of TNG.

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

What does the thread think of Brannon Braga? Besides him dating Jeri Ryan and inserting her into Voyager. He's an executive producer for The Orville.

 

[Chilson]

Every Sisko/Vorta interaction is gold. You can tell he hates them in a way that’s more personal than just “enemy faction” stuff.

There’s a line in "Rocks and Shoals" where he’s talking to the Jem’Hadar man-to-man. Then the subject of Weyoun comes up and his face just does this.

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I think Sisko just really hates Weyoun more than he hates the Vorta collectively, as frankly he has only met like two other Vorta and he didn't seem to have any real disgust towards them as he has towards Weyoun.

He understands that the Vorta are just as biologically programmed to be a subservient slave race as the Jem’Hadar to the founders, but Weyoun seems like he would still side with the founders and do all the scummy shit he did in DS9 regardless of if he was biologically programed or not. At least in Sisko's eyes, even though one Weyoun clone did go rogue and try to help the federation (or more accurately Odo).