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TaimuRadiu said:
vulcan doesn't blow up at all in the prime timeline

yet
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But if I pretend Discovery is in the Kelvin timeline then it can't hurt me...
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TaimuRadiu said:
vulcan doesn't blow up at all in the prime timeline

yet
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So are the movies an entirely different take on the setting than the TV series? I saw some of the old movies and it was the same cast and seemed to be part of the same universe but I know the new ones have a different cast but I figured that's just because they wanted to do a young kirk. (Heh! Now I want a news channel called The Young Kirks). This seems confusing.
 
Overly Serious said:
So are the movies an entirely different take on the setting than the TV series? I saw some of the old movies and it was the same cast and seemed to be part of the same universe but I know the new ones have a different cast but I figured that's just because they wanted to do a young kirk. (Heh! Now I want a news channel called The Young Kirks). This seems confusing.
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Star Trek 09, Into Darkness and Beyond are their own timeline. STD just cribbed design from them probably due to copyright issues re CBS/Viacom/Paramount and to sell new toys.

Anyone know where I can find stats about non soyium buying STD toys? We all know Star Wars toys are selling very badly.
 
TaimuRadiu said:
Anyone know where I can find stats about non soyium buying STD toys? We all know Star Wars toys are selling very badly.
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As far as I am aware STD toys were dead on arrival because CBS (rightly) refused Secret Hideout's request to stop selling competing TOS merch. Even SH knew TOS toys were far more iconic, desirable, and price-stable than anything STD could produce, so a lot of STD merchandising plans were cancelled.

I'd also be interested as to whether what tiny amount of stuff was released ever sold, but it's nothing like the amount produced for Star Wars.
 
Man vs persistent rat said:
As far as I am aware STD toys were dead on arrival because CBS (rightly) refused Secret Hideout's request to stop selling competing TOS merch. Even SH knew TOS toys were far more iconic, desirable, and price-stable than anything STD could produce, so a lot of STD merchandising plans were cancelled.
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That story is partially true, it was Bad Robot and Paramount. When JJ wanted to make ST2009 he wanted to keep all the rights for the merchandising (including the DVD and BR of the tv shows) but they told him to fuck off.
As for STD, every companies except Eaglemoss (ship models) and Anovos (uniforms) have declined to sell merch based on STD because they did some research and apparently no one was interested in buying a figure or a prop replica.
 
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I had absolutely no enthusiasm going into episode 2. How fucking sad is that? I could sit down and binge 5 TNG or DS9 episodes in a row and just want more but this shit just bores me.
  • honestly, much better than episode 1. A lot of it had to do with it not having shitty fight scenes, I guess.
  • I am annoyed by all the swearing. Not exactly them using "fuck" casually, I'm not a prude, but how often they're dropped just to be edgy. As a side note, this is one of the reasons why I couldn't get into the Harely Quinn cartoon
  • you've heard of the Tal Shiar, now let us introduce a secret organisation even MORE secret than them! I rolled my eyes so hard at that. It's pretty much the same as having not one, but three planet destroying superweapons because you couldn't come up with a better plot point so let's just make things bigger.
  • one positive though, I liked how creepy the "synthetics" in the flashbacks looked.
  • Picard's reasoning why he couldn't have Riker, Worf or Geordi to help him find the chick's twin was lame. You already have so much REMEMBER THIS in this show, just give us the characters we actually like and get it over with.
  • the Starfleet admiral loosing her shit at Picard was a shit scene and I another example of turning things up to eleven. The Admirals in the og show were bitchy cunts, right? So let's just make them even worse than ususal and make us wonder how these people even get to keep their jobs.
  • I kinda miss the TNG era look of the Romulans. They looks so plain here and it doesn't help that you don't have any great character actors or such giving a lot of life to their roles.
  • It seems like the one big plotpoint for the season is going to be Romulans fuckery and I'm already bored of it. We had that for 7 seasons of TNG and after that the relations between the two people started getting better. Why not show that? Why not give us the struggles of a people trying to keep good relations with the Federation when there's so much doubt that they can do it? When you hit us with a "oh and the Romulans are actually secretly working behind the scenes to possibly undermine the Federation", what is even the point of anything then?
 
The prologue should have been used in the pilot instead of the second episode, although it's a bad version of the Cylon attack from BSG and it's written like crap. If you remove the pointy ears and the romulan eyebrows, the first act could have been something out of a CSI show. It doesn't look or feel like it's taking place in Star Trek.
Kurtzman being unoriginal decided to use the "secret evil organization" trope once again but it's not Section 31, it's not the Tal'shiar, it's the Zhat Vash. Old Picard uses his old combadge like a cellphone for some reason. 45 minutes have passed and... it feels like nothing really happened.
The writing is getting worse, the tone too. Every character speak like in 2021. Actual dialogue:
Romulan hipster: (smiles at Dahj#2)​
Black trill woman: "I didn't know romulans could be so hot"​
Dahj#2: "Me neither"​
Is this "Star Trek" or a random CW show?
 
trekkor said:
I am annoyed by all the swearing. Not exactly them using "fuck" casually, I'm not a prude, but how often they're dropped just to be edgy. As a side note, this is one of the reasons why I couldn't get into the Harely Quinn cartoon
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I think the issue with any swearing in this is that it must jar with the TV shows and movies. I mean, even aside from it being an American TV show, the Federation seems such a well-adjusted and educated place they're not going to be swearing much. They all seem to have had "settle things through discussion and non-aggressively" drilled into them since infancy.

EDIT: Positive note, I've now watched about half a dozen episodes of Voyager and a couple of episodes of TNG, (including The Measure of a Man episode which someone recommended. It's not bad this stuff. I mean, it's not high art but it's entertaining. Patrick Stewart is good and gives a good Shakespearan edge to his speeches. I like his manner and he's a bit more hard-edged and authoritarian than I had expected him to be. Like when they're discussing handing Data over to be disassembled and he remarks about having sent people into deadlier situations. He seems to get more angry when one of his crew is killed than he does grief-stricken. I like him. Though I think Janeway comes across as a grittier and more believable war commander. I prefer Voyager so far but I'm picking and choosing the episodes I watch so there's likely some bias. Still, Voygager feels a little less stage-y if that makes sense.
 
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They should have brought Janeway back to be the bitchy admiral. The scene would have been so much better because we would be expecting Janeway to act bizarrely.
 
Miller said:
That story is partially true, it was Bad Robot and Paramount. When JJ wanted to make ST2009 he wanted to keep all the rights for the merchandising (including the DVD and BR of the tv shows) but they told him to fuck off.
As for STD, every companies except Eaglemoss (ship models) and Anovos (uniforms) have declined to sell merch based on STD because they did some research and apparently no one was interested in buying a figure or a prop replica.
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Cryptic's STO iirc is about only place any STD stuff isn't unpopular. Thou Cryptic been forced to implement STD content instead of doing their own storylines continuing from Prime Trek. So there is hostility from Cryptic and more importantly the player base to BR and SH. Especially now after Aaron and Rene are gone. :'(
 
trekkor said:
I had absolutely no enthusiasm going into episode 2. How fucking sad is that? I could sit down and binge 5 TNG or DS9 episodes in a row and just want more but this shit just bores me.
  • honestly, much better than episode 1. A lot of it had to do with it not having shitty fight scenes, I guess.
  • I am annoyed by all the swearing. Not exactly them using "fuck" casually, I'm not a prude, but how often they're dropped just to be edgy. As a side note, this is one of the reasons why I couldn't get into the Harely Quinn cartoon
  • you've heard of the Tal Shiar, now let us introduce a secret organisation even MORE secret than them! I rolled my eyes so hard at that. It's pretty much the same as having not one, but three planet destroying superweapons because you couldn't come up with a better plot point so let's just make things bigger.
  • one positive though, I liked how creepy the "synthetics" in the flashbacks looked.
  • Picard's reasoning why he couldn't have Riker, Worf or Geordi to help him find the chick's twin was lame. You already have so much REMEMBER THIS in this show, just give us the characters we actually like and get it over with.
  • the Starfleet admiral loosing her shit at Picard was a shit scene and I another example of turning things up to eleven. The Admirals in the og show were bitchy cunts, right? So let's just make them even worse than ususal and make us wonder how these people even get to keep their jobs.
  • I kinda miss the TNG era look of the Romulans. They looks so plain here and it doesn't help that you don't have any great character actors or such giving a lot of life to their roles.
  • It seems like the one big plotpoint for the season is going to be Romulans fuckery and I'm already bored of it. We had that for 7 seasons of TNG and after that the relations between the two people started getting better. Why not show that? Why not give us the struggles of a people trying to keep good relations with the Federation when there's so much doubt that they can do it? When you hit us with a "oh and the Romulans are actually secretly working behind the scenes to possibly undermine the Federation", what is even the point of anything then?
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Literally all I'm getting from this show is that the Federation was right not to fuck with the Romulans. As usual, these dumbasses can't even make their xenophobia bad messages look appealing.
 
los pepes said:
so the last episode was 40 minutes of various dykes yelling at an increasingly senile old man

how fun
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I was half shit-posting the other day when I said that Picard went senile: (But let's face it, it was still a safe guess to anyone who'd seen "All Good Things.")
UnKillFill said:
Eh to be fair to STP, two important things have changed since then- 1. Data died. And 2. Picard went senile.
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I still haven't, and won't, see ANY episode of STP. Was I right?
 
HeyYou said:
Literally all I'm getting from this show is that the Federation was right not to fuck with the Romulans. As usual, these dumbasses can't even make their xenophobia bad messages look appealing.
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You can also take away from it that a society/starfleet run by women turns into a non functioning mess with everyone running around angry and miserable. It's actually pretty funny that their whole "hey the federation sucks now" coincides with 90% of the leaders suddenly being female. Wonder how long until some twitter sperg notices and, ala the hugh borg virus, gives the current year writing team an unsolvable problem that leads to cascade brain failure.

UnKillFill said:
I was half shit-posting the other day when I said that Picard went senile: (But let's face it, it was still a safe guess to anyone who'd seen "All Good Things.")
I still haven't, and won't, see ANY episode of STP. Was I right?
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Yeah, and predictably handled as horrible as you can imagine. Some literal who we've never seen before, but that they now want us to believe was a life long friend sits down with Picard and 2 seconds later blurts out "oh btw your brain is broke you'll be dead soon". Picard's reaction is essentially gee thats a shame anyone want some tea?
 
oh my god
what the fuck did Alex Kurtzman mean by this?
I also realised what is missing from Picard (and STD since they use too much action music to cover up their shitty scenes) - cozy ship humming sounds.
 
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