Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

[Flexo]

Has SFDebris reuploaded all of his episodes yet?

Recently on an update he's still searching for a home.

Spoiler: The update

I thought I'd take the opportunity to fill you in on how the Trek restoration process is going, since that franchise is tied so centrally to what I do.

I spent a fair amount of January working on uploads. I've been trying a variety of hosting options for it, and each one requires me to add additional code to accommodate a different player, so that's a joy.

Anyway, for the time being, I've been taking a twofold approach to them. The primary site has worked out to be DailyMotion for now. It has a number of downsides, not least being a maximum of 10 videos a day which is usually and inexplicably reduced to only 7 at times. They still bend to CBS though, and as a result, I've had 8 takedowns in the past few hours alone.

The backup site is BitChute. Its primary downside is that there is no native fullscreen option in their player when it is embedded. It also has a rather iffy video conversion process, no means to edit some video aspects (such as the thumbnail), and there is no hiding a video that doesn't also prevent it from being embedded (meaning its location is publicly available, and also means I get the occasional bit of input from the Alt-Right). Also, improved features require payment, which I could make except I don't have any cryptocurrency.

I've tried every other site that has been suggested, but there's been problems:

-only accessible by viewers through payment

-no means for me to actually upload videos

-videos are accompanied by malware

-videos have horrible bandwidth

-are simple for bots to shut down

So DM and BC are the best out of a pile of bad options, so I've been working on them. So far I have everything from December 2016 to the present, plus the films and most of the first season of Voyager. However, most if not all of the TOS has been taken down, and my suspicion is that it's because of Shatner's song in the title sequence. I'm considering replacing it with my new universal title sequence and seeing if that corrects the problem.

I'm going to be working on this over the course of February, at the very least as a slapped together solution in case a better one can come along at a later date.

I had previously mentioned giving Patrons full access. The plan was to link you to all the videos on Vimeo (they're still all technically there, but since they're hidden and no one can see them they can't be attacked). With the relentless search they have been doing though, I can't take the risk of CBS' bots discovering it and shutting down my entire catalog. So I'm sorry about that. Hopefully a better solution will come along, but hey, at least we have a solution of some kind.

 

[XYZpdq]

or they could just distribute it with torrents, but that probably isn't enough epeen for them

 

[AverageAnimeWatcher]

Speaking of DS9, now I'm sad shitty writers are writing for Picard and section 31.

I would've loved an episode about Picard like Sisko's In a Pale Moonlight. That is an episode that would've forced him to face the possibility that the only way to win was to compromise his morals somehow. Not a clean victory with obvious bad guys that you just need to kill (ex the borg). I don't think TNG ever put him in a situation like that, did they?

An intellectual episode that explored whether Section 31 was a necessary evil that created a bubble for people like Picard or Pike to play heroes, as section 31 claims, or if our heroes can truly always find a way to save the day without sacrificing their souls in the process as Sisko had to?

....Instead, we get: Section 31 is edgy and cool (Discovery). Racism is bad (ST;Picard) . Sigh.

 

[Judge Holden]

Speaking of DS9, now I'm sad shitty writers are writing for Picard and section 31.

I would've loved an episode about Picard like Sisko's In a Pale Moonlight. That is an episode that would've forced him to face the possibility that the only way to win was to compromise his morals somehow. Not a clean victory with obvious bad guys that you just need to kill (ex the borg). I don't think TNG ever put him in a situation like that, did they?

An intellectual episode that explored whether Section 31 was a necessary evil that created a bubble for people like Picard or Pike to play heroes, as section 31 claims, or if our heroes can truly always find a way to save the day without sacrificing their souls in the process as Sisko had to?

https://youtube.com/watch?v=K-YyL7X4CWw
....Instead, we get: Section 31 is edgy and cool (Discovery). Racism is bad (ST;Picard) . Sigh.

Ever since I started hearing about how autistic Roddenberry got in trying to maintain his "Roddenberry box" of a perfect enlightened and conflict/corruption free federation that had no flaws as being the fundamental bedrock of his post TOS trek lore I always rolled my eyes at how stupidly restricting such a concept and his zealous policing of it was for the franchise

Now, in the post abrams/kurtzman hell the franchise has become....its still kinda spergy but I think I understand his fear that his work would wind up turning into generic and mediocre sci-fi drek without keeping its feet firmly planted in this founding principle

 

[AverageAnimeWatcher]

Now....its still kinda spergy but I think I understand his fear that his work would wind up turning into generic and mediocre sci-fi drek without keeping its feet firmly planted in this founding principle

Oh, I agree. That's why I don't like the idea of a xenophobic federation just to rant about Brexit.

Though, to clarify, I'm not saying I want more edge and grimdark or a dystopia, but rather that I would've loved Picard's idealism to be put to test outside his bubble. Putting him in a situation like Sisko had to when he had to fight the dominion or the Maqui.

Could Picard prove section 31 wrong and show how you can always find a better way? Or would he be forced to accept some men, like Sisko, had to make the hard choices he never could.

As much as I like Picard, he was always an angel in paradise (as Sisko said). I would love to see him being an angel in Hell, if that makes sense. Basically what happened in DS9 so not asking for something that isn't trek like. That's what I would love they explored in an episode.

 

[UnKillFill]

Given the somewhat feudalistic nature of Klingon culture, it might be helpful to compare the status of craftsmen in real-world feudal societies like medieval Europe or Japan. Granted, Klingon society is somewhat more loosely-structured and upwardly-mobile than feudal Europe, certainly more so than the Japanese equivalent, but I think you're right to speculate that technicians, artisans and scholars probably command a great deal of respect. There are probably songs and operas celebrating the Klingon version of the great smith Wayland, we just haven't heard them yet.

What do you think about the bit in "Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country", where Chancellor Gorkon claims that William Shakespeare was either a Klingon, or he plagiarized his works from Klingons? (it's unclear):

Side note: I somehow never actually realized until now that Chancellor Gorkon was played by David Warner... I bet he *totally* would have come back to play Gul Madred again for a hypothetical STP that made the Cardies the bad guys.
Even if Gorkon was lying to get a rise out of Kirk or whatever, this still implies that the Klingons have at least *some* appreciation of the arts... (Which would seem unlikely if they were just a dumb brute race.) TNG further expanded upon this... I remembered Worf talking about Klingon mating rituals where Klingon males tried to read poetry to Klingon females, while the females tried to literally fucking kill them, and I found the citation:

 

[Flexo]

What do you think about the bit in "Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country", where Chancellor Gorkon claims that William Shakespeare was either a Klingon, or he plagiarized his works from Klingons? (it's unclear):
https://youtube.com/watch?v=HsCVuO1yeJcSide note: I somehow never actually realized until now that Chancellor Gorkon was played by David Warner... I bet he *totally* would have come back to play Gul Madred again for a hypothetical STP that made the Cardies the bad guys.
Even if Gorkon was lying to get a rise out of Kirk or whatever, this still implies that the Klingons have at least *some* appreciation of the arts... (Which would seem unlikely if they were just a dumb brute race.) TNG further expanded upon this... I remembered Worf talking about Klingon mating rituals where Klingon males tried to read poetry to Klingon females, while the females tried to literally fucking kill them, and I found the citation:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=ITmnIY_H24o

Remember when aliens had art and culture (or hints of it at least) and weren't just super special awesome and good at magic da STEM.

I can't even blame modern trek, I think it started with voyager.

 

[Rebel Wilson]

An intellectual episode that explored whether Section 31 was a necessary evil that created a bubble for people like Picard or Pike to play heroes, as section 31 claims, or if our heroes can truly always find a way to save the day without sacrificing their souls in the process as Sisko had to?

Bashir was the one who got that episode with Sloan. "Inter Arma Enim Silent Legis "

 

[Cyril Sneer]

unless of course it could be considered a weakness getting help from someone else when being defeated and not taking the defeat like a true klingon and bleed out honorably.

If we've learned anything from TNG and DS9, it's that true Klingons (i.e. those not raised by human foster parents) have a much different and often more flexible idea what being a "true Klingon" means than Worf does.

I see we're still talking about Klingon Honor.

A while ago, SFDebris actually put out a really interesting video about it (He was specifically talking about Worf's personal code of honor, but he touched a lot on the view of "honor" as a whole to Klingons, and compared their honor codes to chivalry, and honor in our day in age.) It's an interesting watch if you haven't seen it before.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=rnWOHVOVgFQ

Yeah... We know from "Ethics" that they have very little research into certain advanced medical topics...

RUSSELL: I must admit, I was a little shocked to find the state of Klingon neurological medicine to be so primitive.
CRUSHER: It's a cultural bias. When I contacted the Klingon Medical Division, they informed me that they usually let the patient die in a case like this. As a result they've done almost no research on neurological trauma.

Or so they say...

But I agree that it's kind of silly to assume that they wouldn't even know how to treat basic injuries that any warrior is likely to get and can be easily treated. That's carrying the concept too far.

Yes, exactly.

What do you think about the bit in "Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country", where Chancellor Gorkon claims that William Shakespeare was either a Klingon, or he plagiarized his works from Klingons? (it's unclear):
https://youtube.com/watch?v=HsCVuO1yeJcSide note: I somehow never actually realized until now that Chancellor Gorkon was played by David Warner... I bet he *totally* would have come back to play Gul Madred again for a hypothetical STP that made the Cardies the bad guys.
Even if Gorkon was lying to get a rise out of Kirk or whatever, this still implies that the Klingons have at least *some* appreciation of the arts... (Which would seem unlikely if they were just a dumb brute race.) TNG further expanded upon this... I remembered Worf talking about Klingon mating rituals where Klingon males tried to read poetry to Klingon females, while the females tried to literally fucking kill them, and I found the citation:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=ITmnIY_H24o

If memory serves, Gorkon's claim was inspired by A: National Socialist Germany at one point claiming, supposedly, that Shakespeare was actually German, and B: the tendency of the Soviet Union to assert that all manner of technologies had actually been originated in the USSR/Russia. In-context, though, I think Gorkon is just making a very layered joke, simultaneously showing off how knowledgeable and well-educated he is while also suggesting that he has a certain amount of fondness for human culture and implying that humans and Klingons really aren't all that different from each other, at heart. It's quite brilliant, really.

As for Klingon appreciation of the arts in a general sense, didn't TNG make Klingon opera out to be a Really Big Deal in Klingon culture? It's been a while since I was watching the series regularly but I could swear I remember various characters recommending particular operas to each other, or making contextual allusions between the plot of a given opera and that particular episode's dilemma du jour.

 

[Stoneheart]

Remember when aliens had art and culture (or hints of it at least) and weren't just super special awesome and good at magic da STEM.

Its not just art and Culture.
All aliens are super generic and boring...
I realy miss old school romulans

 

[Zaryiu]

The TNG movies shit all over that by dragging him back and making him a depressed drunk or something in Nemesis who ended back at his old post. It was an especially cruel move since Worf had been blackballed from further promotions in Starfleet

STO had him returning as ambassador to Qo'nos after Nemesis until 2400 or 2401 https://sto.gamepedia.com/Federation-Klingon_War_(2405-2410) so much of this was caused by https://sto.gamepedia.com/Undine
Both page show that Janeway is worse for causing Species 8472 to go after the Beta Quadrant

 

[Tookie]

As for Klingon appreciation of the arts in a general sense, didn't TNG make Klingon opera out to be a Really Big Deal in Klingon culture?

It came up even more often on DS9 after Worf showed up and Dax went full Klingaboo.

 

[Flexo]

It came up even more often on DS9 after Worf showed up and Dax went full Klingaboo.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=d1J7702SHxA

That's what Discovery didn't get. Klingon weren't just space orcs, they were an operatic species and that's why we loved them.

 

[trekkor]

episode 4 is out and as usual, my thoughts for whoever is interested

• the episode is directed by Frakes and I want to say he's the reason why the pacing of this episode is the best it's been so far for this show. They actually let things happen without speeding ahead to get to the PLOT.
• the blonde Doctor lady unironically said "Space is so empty" and I wonder how someone living in the Trek universe can ever say that. You have hundreds, maybe thousands of alien species (and that's not even counting unique flora and fauna on all these planets) who you can reach in your lifetime and it's still too fucking empty to you? She's not as annoying as Tilly, but she shares the same comic relief spot that makes all her dialogue basically worthless.
• Romulans now have warrior nuns, which, alright, I can sort of accept. Vulcan culture didn't have them as warriors, but it seemed like the ritual side of their culture was headed by women. So Romulans having them fucking up shit doesn't seem too weird.
• That said, I saw a comment saying how the more they learn about the Romulans from this show, the more they're starting to despise them. I'm not sure if it's because we haven't really had anything that sort of softens them up or even paints them in a slightly comedic light. TNG was very willing to do that with the Klingons and I feel like that's really missing with the Romulans here.
• more hints that Android (refuse to call her a synth) lady is some sort of "Destroyer" in Romulan lore. Is it just "fuck 'droids, they're unnatural, gotta kill 'em all", which was proven to be a fuckup from the writers since TNG referenced Romulans not having a hatred towards androids? Or something more? We'll see.
• Our new member of Picard's crew is Elrond Elnor, a male raised in the warrior nun order, who we see in a flashback was very much loved by Picard for whatever reason. He grows up to be a ninja Tolkien elf still somewhat hurt that Picard didn't relocate him from the order to a more suitable location (and why couldn't the warrior nuns actually find him a better home is handwaved away, but whatever).
• there is no joke a scene of the Android chick and Bong Romulan sliding down a hallway on the Borg cube in a >romantic and >whimsical scene.
• I don't quite realise why everyone has a hateboner for Picard. By all accounts he was the ONLY (somehow) guy who supported the relocation of Romulans and actually wanted to help them. If anything, everyone should have a hateboner for the Federation sans Picard. Even if they were hurt by Picard resigning from Starfleet, they should be smart enough to realise there might be more to the story than meets the eye since everyone knows how little SF actually did to help the Romulans. I just don't really believe a Romulan ex-Senator would be this foolish. All the blame for the Romulan issue and I guess the Android going berserk is laid on his shoulders.
• I was right in saying last time that they're weirdly pushing an incest angle for the Romulan Bong siblings.
• Rion or whatever he's called, the captain of the ship, has holograms of himself in various positions on the ship. Fine, whatever, but then they start speaking in Spanish for whatever reason. I get that they show off the Romulan language every once and a while, but Spanish is what, the second or third most spoken language in the world? It's not exotic enough to show off in a "let's ignore the UT for the sake of Televison" scene.
• Seven of Nine finally shows up at the end of the episode.
• The preview for next week's episode is going to be the Casino Planet scene from TLJ and again, I am not joking.

 

[Miller]

Frakes did a good job on that one. That said, the writing is still bad. The whole gimmick about the EMH looking like the captain and acting as comic relief really has to go. Alison Pill's character is slowly turning into Tilly 2.0 and I don't like that. The holodeck scene with the crew in Picard's home was badly written, the tone was all over the place, they were all talking sarcastically like if they were in a CW capeshit show. I wish the android girl storyline would get to the point faster because I'm getting sick of the incestuous Romulan siblings and the borderline rehash of the Red Angel plot (the whole prophecy crap).
I am not looking forward to the next episode where they go to Canto Bight.

 

[MembersSchoolPizza]

>The holodeck scene with the crew in Picard's home was badly written,

The "Goddamnit, we blew a quarter of our season budget on this set, we're going to use it in every episode even it's stupid!" scenes...

If they legit pull a "synthetic life is anathema, it invariably leads to the apocalypse" plot on us, I'm going to be seriously pissed off. I mean, I get that the Romulan guk-fuck or whatever the name of their secret-secret-secret order is thinks that, but it better not be true.

I don't know who wrote the backstory of this, but it's inane. So apparently when Star Fleet decided to stop helping, Picard just... pissed off to his Vinyard? He didn't even try to get some other form of help? Or if there legit was no time to get any other help, how did he "let perfect be the enemy of the good" like he's whining about now? Either way, that's not my Picard.

Was 7's ship supposed to be a souped-up Delta Flyer?

I did legit enjoy the upgraded SFX version of an old-style Romulan ship.

 

[Miller]

So apparently when Star Fleet decided to stop helping, Picard just... pissed off to his Vinyard? He didn't even try to get some other form of help?

Yeah, you would think that he would say "fuck this, I'm Jean-Luc Picard, I've done enough for the Federation, people all around the quadrant know me, let's do this!" and rally enough people and ships to help him but no, instead he went to a place that he hated (his brother's vineyard) to spend the rest of his life until the "most important android ever" beamed into the vineyard.

If they legit pull a "synthetic life is anathema, it invariably leads to the apocalypse" plot on us, I'm going to be seriously pissed off.

I really don't like where they are going with this old Romulan prophecy (that never existed before this show) about the apocalypse.
Why can't we have Star Trek again? Why can't we have a show about a ship and its crew exploring the unknown to discover strange new worlds and phenomenons?
I know people on the internet keep saying this but: thank god for The Orville and The Expanse.

 

[MembersSchoolPizza]

Also...

So, our newest crew member is a feminine guy who was raised to be an elite ninja from an all-female order of ninjas from early childhood?

Where did I hear that story before...

Oh, right.

Ok. Who's the weeb at CBS?

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

If we've learned anything from TNG and DS9, it's that true Klingons (i.e. those not raised by human foster parents) have a much different and often more flexible idea what being a "true Klingon" means than Worf does.

Well, he learned it from people who learned it from others, who probably learned it from even others.

I imagine the line of "Klingon Culture" went from Actual Klingon -> Star Fleet Scientist who was interested in Klingons -> Star Fleet Admiral -> Star Fleet Case Worker for Worf - > Worf's Parents -> Worf. What Worf was learning was filtered through so many people it isn't a surprise he got a Memetastic Warped version of Klingon Culture.

 

[PrussiansMarchingOn1819]

Star Trek was on fire in the 1990s, three different series were on with no gaps in between each series and four movies hit theaters. So many great and known actors and actresses guest stared or had a recurring role like Andrew J. Robinson, Jeffrey Combs, and let not forget about James Cromwell and David Warner. They got Oscar/ Emmy Winner Jerry Goldsmith produces some wonderful scores for First Contact and Insurrection (Insurrection soundtrack was my favorite soundtrack) and the theme for Star Trek Voyager that won him his fifth and final Emmy in 1995. The Star Trek conventions were jammed packed with Trekkies and merchants selling memorabilia. There was Las Vegas Hilton Star Trek The Experience which was pretty neat to see in person.