Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

[Flexo]

That said, Isolation didn't just change the xeno's feet.

What's this y'all keep going on about the feet? Did Tarantino make an Alien film?

 

[XYZpdq]

Wow an alien franchise video game that doesn't necessarily fit canon are you implying that Konami Arcade Aliens was lying about the flying ones too?

 

[Oaat]

For all the good it will do them if it takes "lifetimes" to reach their intended victims in your universe.

There was a robot.

Where did Ameilia Earhart? It's a big galaxy.

"Fermi paradox"

You are absolutely expressing your own beliefs on the universe.

Here's one of my actual beliefs: you're not a mind reader.

Which, ironically, leads to investing the xenomorph with a warped, sort of cosmic significance, like all of Lovecraft's weird gods evolving out of his belief in an empty, godless universe.

lol no

 

[Beetus Knuckles]

IDK what the future holds for Trek. I admittedly haven’t watched STD and only the first episode of Picard, but it just doesn’t feel like Trek to me from what I’ve seen. There’s a weird paradox where a good series like DS9 could only happen the way it did post Roddenberry, but everything since has been less and less Trek at heart because it’s getting farther away from his edicts.

 

[Miller]

IDK what the future holds for Trek.

I think there is no future for Star Trek as long as Kurtzman (and his company) is at the helm of the franchise. I mean who would have thought that Star Trek would one day turn into a bad Mass Effect rip-off starring Patrick Stewart as a random extra in the background?
Just like Disney Star Wars, there is no way to fix it.
Star Trek used to be about exploration, sci-fi and philosophical concepts, now it's all about "synths" (whatever that means), teen drama and one-dimensional characters who speak and act like people from 2020.

 

[Beetus Knuckles]

You sum up exactly how I feel. Voyager had the opportunity to do this, but totally squandered it. Picard could be something different, but it’s going back to the same old well—the Borg and Romulans.

 

[Guts Gets Some]

but it’s going back to the same old well—the Borg and Romulans.

I was going to say "identity politics" and "action schlock", but I guess you're right too.

 

[Stab You in the Back]

Star Trek used to be about exploration, sci-fi and philosophical concepts,

Remember when Star Trek would present the audience with a moral dilemma, have characters on opposite sides of the issue present compelling cases supporting their positions, and then present a solution which stemmed from the decision maker's moral and ethical responsibilities?

Remember when Star Trek celebrated the camaraderie of a group of men and women working towards a common goal with a common set of core values they used to drive their decision-making?

 

[Preferred Penne]

Remember when Star Trek would present the audience with a moral dilemma, have characters on opposite sides of the issue present compelling cases supporting their positions, and then present a solution which stemmed from the decision maker's moral and ethical responsibilities?

Remember when Star Trek celebrated the camaraderie of a group of men and women working towards a common goal with a common set of core values they used to drive their decision-making?

Remember when writers could portray conflict without the characters being completely shitty towards each other?

 

[Beetus Knuckles]

Remember when Star Trek would present the audience with a moral dilemma, have characters on opposite sides of the issue present compelling cases supporting their positions, and then present a solution which stemmed from the decision maker's moral and ethical responsibilities?

Remember when Star Trek celebrated the camaraderie of a group of men and women working towards a common goal with a common set of core values they used to drive their decision-making?

My 14 year old son is a Star Wars guy but never got into Trek. He was talking about the implications of AI become smarter, etc. We watched The Measure of a Man and Data’s Day. He couldn’t believe TV sci-fi was talking this decades ago. The cerebral heart of Trek has eroded away and been replaced with blatant wokeness even though Star Trek has been among the most thoughtfully woke franchises in history.

 

[Cyril Sneer]

Wow an alien franchise video game that doesn't necessarily fit canon are you implying that Konami Arcade Aliens was lying about the flying ones too?

That's some #thankyourianjohnson logic right there.

C'mon, man, try a little harder. Isolation's unwarranted reputation rests in large part on how supposedly faithful and careful it is in regard to the legacy of the first film. It's not some lighthearted side-scrolling shooter.

There was a robot.

More to the point, there was commonplace FTL travel.

"Fermi paradox"

"Ancient Astronauts"

Here's one of my actual beliefs: you're not a mind reader.

It doesn't take a mind reader to notice your throbbing hard-on for Enrico Fermi's theory of alien life (or the seeming lack thereof).

lol no

LOL yes

My 14 year old son is a Star Wars guy but never got into Trek. He was talking about the implications of AI become smarter, etc. We watched The Measure of a Man and Data’s Day. He couldn’t believe TV sci-fi was talking this decades ago. The cerebral heart of Trek has eroded away and been replaced with blatant wokeness even though Star Trek has been among the most thoughtfully woke franchises in history.

Sometimes I wonder if perhaps the current state of Star Trek is the inevitable outcome of its own worldview. Perhaps even thoughtful wokeness eventually, invariably leads to this.

 

[XYZpdq]

That's some #thankyourianjohnson logic right there.

lolwat it's a joke
are you seriously getting mad arguing about Dickmonster From The Dark

 

[Dom Cruise]

To begin with, the entire plot of the game relies on there having been a large, commercial space-station within spitting distance of LV-426 before and after the events of the first film, which basically renders just about everything that happens in both Alien and Aliens completely nonsensical.

Where did you get the impression that Sevastopol station was in "spitting distance" of LV-426? Because that's not the case at all, it was the closest station, but that doesn't mean it was actually close to LV-426.

Unless you think LV-426 is the planet it was orbiting around, which it wasn't, that was a gas giant called KG-348.

 

[The Gagh Whisperer]

I think there is no future for Star Trek as long as Kurtzman (and his company) is at the helm of the franchise. I mean who would have thought that Star Trek would one day turn into a bad Mass Effect rip-off starring Patrick Stewart as a random extra in the background?
Just like Disney Star Wars, there is no way to fix it.
Star Trek used to be about exploration, sci-fi and philosophical concepts, now it's all about "synths" (whatever that means), teen drama and one-dimensional characters who speak and act like people from 2020.

Yea, right now it's 100% broken and they're still going full steam ahead with this bullshit.

If Star Trek has a future then it involves firing everyone currently involved, putting it into hibernation for years, "geek culture" dying a horrible grisly death, creating a vaccine for Joss-Whedonitis, and finding writers capable of writing a good story without falling back on snark, twists, and big set pieces.

It's not going to happen.

It's dead, Jim.

 

[UnKillFill]

I saw the first Alien movie, many years ago... (when I was probably too young to have actually understood it.) And I did see Spaceballs (i.e the John Hurt "not again" scene, and I get the context.)...
Is it being compared to Trek here because it's another Sci-Fi Franchise that lost its way? Because I can't imagine that the Alien franchise is as currently worthless to former Alien fans as Trek is to... most of us now...

 

[melty]

The coronavirus is sheer bad luck, but Picard was already so woefully misreading the cultural climate and their place in it that I don't give them much of a pass. The show is going to go down as a gritty sci-fi action drama touting the importance of open borders for people that could possibly kill you that aired in the midst of a global pandemic where closing borders is quickly becoming politicians favorite hobby.

It's a shame because the show could have actually been something good right now. A message about unity and working together with people you disagree with to solve crisises, instead of about how the future is shit with a corrupt government and lots of people dying.

 

[FrickinFrackinFruckin]

 

[BR55]

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Remember when Star Trek would present the audience with a moral dilemma, have characters on opposite sides of the issue present compelling cases supporting their positions, and then present a solution which stemmed from the decision maker's moral and ethical responsibilities?

Remember when Star Trek celebrated the camaraderie of a group of men and women working towards a common goal with a common set of core values they used to drive their decision-making?

But you see that's boring.
That Kurtzman quote proves it.
Honestly though that quote is so revealing about the mindset of people writing this garbage.
Being the Chosen One setting out to destroy a great Evil is so much better than being a stable and well adjusted adult working with your peers to calmly and diplomatically solve problems.
The whole thing just speaks about how fundamentally immature Kurtzman and Co's worldview and values are.
Manicheanism and a Peter Pan Complex spread across a whole industry.
It's not particularly surprising that being the perfect and pure Hero standing against the embodiment of Evil appeals to the broken and neurotic people who inhabit Hollywood more than sitting down and talking about your differences and disagreements.
It's the triumph of Harry Potter over The Lord of the Rings really.

 

[Cyril Sneer]

lolwat it's a joke
are you seriously getting mad arguing about Dickmonster From The Dark

Alien 3 was The Last Jedi before The Last Jedi, no joke. At least David Fincher has the good taste to be disgusted by it, though, unlike Rian Johnson.

Where did you get the impression that Sevastopol station was in "spitting distance" of LV-426? Because that's not the case at all, it was the closest station, but that doesn't mean it was actually close to LV-426.

Unless you think LV-426 is the planet it was orbiting around, which it wasn't, that was a gas giant called KG-348.

It's in the same star system as LV-426, and compared to Earth, which is 39 light years or 10 months distant via the FTL capabilities of a damaged CM-88B Bison, it's basically right under their noses. The station's proximity to LV-426 is in fact a major plot-point for the game, since the crew of the Anesidora immediately light out for it as soon as one of their number gets parasitized by a facehugger, thus setting many of the game's events in motion, but it also inevitably rips open a huge plot-hole in Alien, in that this very large, very close-by commercial space station is never mentioned by the crew at any point. Since the station is supposed to have been a hub for traffic through the system for almost thirty years prior to the destruction of the Nostromo, it also begs the awkward question of how the Derelict's beacon managed to go unnoticed for at least three decades with a busy trade hub right next door to LV-426.

I saw the first Alien movie, many years ago... (when I was probably too young to have actually understood it.) And I did see Spaceballs (i.e the John Hurt "not again" scene, and I get the context.)...
Is it being compared to Trek here because it's another Sci-Fi Franchise that lost its way?

It started when somebody mentioned the xenomorphs as another creepy antagonist ruined by getting a detailed backstory much like the Borg.

Because I can't imagine that the Alien franchise is as currently worthless to former Alien fans as Trek is to... most of us now...

Alien fans seem to fall into two camps: the more humanistic ones who like the first two movies but disregard anything that came afterward, and the more nihilistic ones who fetishize grimderp and will proclaim to anyone who listens that "Alien movies aren't supposed to have happy endings!" but both sides generally seem to loathe Ridley Scott's recent Alien prequels for one reason or another.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

It's the triumph of Harry Potter over The Lord of the Rings really.

I take exception to this, given that Lord of the Rings was the thing the consuumers ate before Harry Potter came out, that and both have the same issue with the writer caring more about jerking off to the world they built rather than having any actual plot or character development.