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Flexo said:
Aware of them? I read 4!

And unlike Picard, at least that time the insanity was fun.
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Oh shit, who would've guessed the most hardcore Trek fans were on KF?

I tried to share this once to a supposed Trek-only forum years back, and no one knew or even cared. They also praised STD, so yeah, I should've known better.
 
Guts Gets Some said:
Oh shit, who would've guessed the most hardcore Trek fans were on KF?

I tried to share this once to a supposed Trek-only forum years back, and no one knew or even cared. They also praised STD, so yeah, I should've known better.
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I mean the first book is literally about the Borg resurrecting Kirk to make him a sleeper agent to kill Picard. And I'm pretty sure Romulans get involved somewhere too.

Probably the best part is a defiant class starship getting renamed "USS Enterprise" in the interim since the E wasn't ready and Picard needed a ship.

So yes, for one glorious moment, Picard had a USS Benjamin-Sisko's-Motherfuckin-Pimp-Hand at his command.

. . .

Hmmm.... this took place between movies 7 & 8. Maybe that's why Picard's testosterone started increasing in the movies following Generation.
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Honestly, the only reason I got into Trek now is because of all the things I heard with what stupid things were doing to the franchise like other ones. It kind of kindled a lost opportunity I had as a kid were I dismissed Star Trek as "boring".

Also DS9 is pretty good as far as I know.
 
Guts Gets Some said:
Oh shit, who would've guessed the most hardcore Trek fans were on KF?

I tried to share this once to a supposed Trek-only forum years back, and no one knew or even cared. They also praised STD, so yeah, I should've known better.
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The best places I have seen for Star Trek discussion was 4chan's /v/ (well it was around the time sto went f2p) and here.
 
Flexo said:
I mean the first book is literally about the Borg resurrecting Kirk to make him a sleeper agent to kill Picard. And I'm pretty sure Romulans get involved somewhere too.

Probably the best part is a defiant class starship getting renamed "USS Enterprise" in the interim since the E wasn't ready and Picard needed a ship.

So yes, for one glorious moment, Picard had a USS Benjamin-Sisko's-Motherfuckin-Pimp-Hand at his command.

. . .

Hmmm.... this took place between movies 7 & 8. Maybe that's why Picard's testosterone started increasing in the movies following Generation.
:thinking:
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dude fucking Kirk in a Defiant class fuck yeah hook me up with some sweet piracy of that brah
 
I don't think Generations was a very good film. At the same time, I'm not able to feign indifference to the death of Captain Kirk.

I'm not sure how I'd have him go out, but "Kirk leaves heaven for good to save a bunch of people he doesn't know" seems to be more the point than "fell off a bridge."
 
BScCollateral said:
I don't think Generations was a very good film. At the same time, I'm not able to feign indifference to the death of Captain Kirk.

I'm not sure how I'd have him go out, but "Kirk leaves heaven for good to save a bunch of people he doesn't know" seems to be more the point than "fell off a bridge."
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I never liked Generations and the way the writers forgot about the TOS crew past the first act. The movie should have been like a passing of the torch, instead we have the Nexus nonsense and characters who wear whatever uniform they could find in their locker.
 
Re: the "Discovery and Picard being bad doesn't make Enterprise good" tangent.

No. But, I don't think that's nessasarily the actual equation. At least for me, it's that Enterprise at least felt like medicore-to-bad-but-with-a-few-good-moments Star Trek. Discovery and Picard don't. Feel like Star Trek, that is. It's not just that they're not good, they don't feel like they respect the source material at all or even have any particular understanding of the source material.

They're not really ensamble shows, for starters. They aren't about the uplifting of humanity or the wonder of space, they're about how much humanity is shit generally and everything in space is awful. Star Trek had badawful things happen all the time, but it never felt like that was *the norm*. It felt like those were things ships out exploring the edges of known space dealt with, but that life in settled lands was pretty good. Even DS9, the "darkest" of the Treks, was constantly highlighting that when things were dark and shitty, those were *deviations* from what people expected. And even just in production style... Torture? Gore? A whole episode about a murderous psychopath derangedly slaughtering the crew over and over again? Quasi-cannibalism? Even the "mirror universe" is darker and more stupid than before, for god's sake. And they don't feel like they respect the audience's actual investment in the show... The "science" may not be any less squishy and bullshit than most of TNG or DS9 or what have you, but there's at least a sense they were trying to *present* it as science. Discovery and Picard both seem to equate "science" with "magic" and expect the audience to just... not care. Not notice that "warp" in Picard makes no sense and is nothing like "warp" in any other show. Not have any understanding of distances in space. Not recoil in awe-struck disgust and mirth and the whole "magic space mushrooms" bullshit. Etc, etc, etc.

Is Enterprise magically good? Well, no. But if I watch it, I still feel like I'm watching Star Trek.
 
I went into the Shatnerverse as a teen knowing it'd be shit but at least entertaining, and I wasn't surprised. I went into it with the same feeling I had after reading TekWar.

You have read TekWar, haven't you Kiwis? Kids gotta learn about TekWar sooner or later.
 
XYZpdq said:
dude fucking Kirk in a Defiant class
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To be honest watching some dude fuck kirk onboard the sisko pimp-wagon would be orders of magnitude less of a franchise rape than......this
- I am unironically still in shock from watching this the first time...jesus christ -
 
Overly Serious said:
So I finished Season 2 and the last DVD had an interview with Jolene Blalock. She clearly loved working on the show and she talks about watching Star Trek with her father and brother growing up - she actually was a fan. Talked a lot about the fun they all had together making it and comes across as a pretty nice person. Most of them do.
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Honestly, that's super cool she is legit. And while she is by no means an unattractive woman, that nerdy side of her is infinitely more attractive than the glossed up spread of her doing nothing but trying to be sexy. Complete opposite effect for me.

Anyway, so more channels are finally doing full season reviews of Discard.

I liked this one:
 
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I just want to take a moment and appreciate one of my top Trek moments.

Michael Dorn is such a treasure.
 
TaimuRadiu said:
You have read TekWar, haven't you Kiwis? Kids gotta learn about TekWar sooner or later.
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We played the pilot on movienight like twice when the Lolcow.tv site was only accepting youtube links. I haven't read the books though.
 
Flexo said:
I just want to take a moment and appreciate one of my top Trek moments.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=vf6rWH1H7iQ
Michael Dorn is such a treasure.
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Worf and Garek were a great double act on a show that already had a ton of great double acts. It's a shame they didn't get paired together more often.

Here's my one of my favorite scenes from that same episode.
 
UnKillFill said:
Worf and Garek were a great double act on a show that already had a ton of great double acts. It's a shame they didn't get paired together more often.

Here's my one of my favorite scenes from that same episode.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=w0ba-A01WWA
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That is my favorite 2 parter in all of DS9 - and yes I am aware of how steep that competition is.
 
Garak is just an all round gem of a character. They used him sparingly too which I think was the right move despite his rising popularity during the shows run.
 
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