Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

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Flexo said:
So Chuck swears, with all research, that Janeway was originally supposed to have been the admiral who f-bombed Picard.
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I think it would have worked way better than Admiral SheerFuckingHubris, especially if that character was also leading the armada in the season finale (before they reshot it with Frakes/Riker).
 
trekkor said:
As a side note, it's Patrick Stewart's birthday today; he's 80 years old. After the shitshow that was STPicard, I'm curious how Trekkie Kiwis feel about the man now. Disappointed? Still positive? Don't care?
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I'd probably be sad for a few minutes, but he's already basically dead to me.
 
trekkor said:
As a side note, it's Patrick Stewart's birthday today; he's 80 years old. After the shitshow that was STPicard, I'm curious how Trekkie Kiwis feel about the man now. Disappointed? Still positive? Don't care?
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I blame the executives. It's not like Picard would have been good if Steward gave a shit and from the beginning Trek actors have a history of fucking things up when the tardwranglers give them an inch.
 
trekkor said:
Trailer for Rick and Trek dropped. I dunno, some of the jokes were decent (I had a chuckle at the holodeck waste disposal gag), but I don't think it's good when I can already tell which characters I am absolutely going to despise.
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I wasn't expecting them to shut it down that fast since they had their people in the comments replying and insulting those who didn't like the trailer.
 
trekkor said:
Trailer for Rick and Trek dropped. I dunno, some of the jokes were decent (I had a chuckle at the holodeck waste disposal gag), but I don't think it's good when I can already tell which characters I am absolutely going to despise.
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Kinda gives off a John Scalzi's Redshirts vibe. Remember Redshirts? Remember John Scalzi?

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It was pretty good for the first 30 or 50 pages, before becoming the literary equivalent of the Bataan Death March due to wearing out its nanite-thin premise and too much sub-Whedonesque snark. Iirc it tried to get all meta at the end and failed horribly, but John Scalzi was pretty popular at the time so it won a lot of awards.

At least he tried. That trailer looks blander than an episode of Veggie Tales... In Space!
 
trekkor said:
Trailer for Rick and Trek dropped. I dunno, some of the jokes were decent (I had a chuckle at the holodeck waste disposal gag), but I don't think it's good when I can already tell which characters I am absolutely going to despise.
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felt like some realy cheap toon but without the edge...
like a child friendly brickleberry, or that scifi show with the dick shaped ship.

okay i dont know if that ship was penis shaped or not, i cant find the name. the captain was some form of glob and they had a gay robot, i think.
 
If we were going the adult animation route I would have preferred they farmed it out to Japan to make some weird anime version since anything produced in the West is going to be lolrandom Rick & Morty schlock.
 
Stoneheart said:
felt like some realy cheap toon but without the edge...
like a child friendly brickleberry, or that scifi show with the dick shaped ship.

okay i dont know if that ship was penis shaped or not, i cant find the name. the captain was some form of glob and they had a gay robot, i think.
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Tripping the Rift?

For a moment there, I thought you were referring to Lexx, which was batshit insane and fun.
 
I don't care what CBS all access comes out with at this point. It's going to be stupid and soulless no matter what it is. We already have Star Trek But Funny, it's called The Orville.
 
Flexo said:
I mean in the actual movies, the whole thing essentially operated as a kind of temporal accelerate (just like the first episode of the Orville) - because it goes over in a nebula which ends up forming a planet and the microbes on the torpedo eventually becoming larger creatures.


Some of that is not detailed in the films. Conceptually there would be limits on it as you'd shoot it at a planet that would be suitable for in the first place and less something like... jupiter.



Not exactly. It restarted the growth of Spock's body (see temporal point above) but he was a blank slate. If Spock's memory backup had been lost, then Spock would have never returned. He wasn't brought back to life as much as got a cloned body regrown. The spores brought back the body fully made and with intact memory all together.



There is NO natural extension between "changing a planet" and "teleporting from one side of the galaxy to another." That's the same kind of logic moviebob uses that if we can 3d print things today, we should be able to grow wheat on the moon. The two areas of science - even made up science - aren't in the same ballpark.

I'll also point out a lot of your complaints arise from the 3rd film, less Wrath of Khan.
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Wrath of Khan said it could work on any "dead moon or planet". And it actually reverted Spock back to a baby (why not a fetus?) and brought him back to life, which was totally ridiculous. It's the same thing the Spore Drive did with that doctor character.

I mean in the actual movies, the whole thing essentially operated as a kind of temporal accelerate (just like the first episode of the Orville) - because it goes over in a nebula which ends up forming a planet and the microbes on the torpedo eventually becoming larger creatures.
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I don't get how it being a temporal accelerator would work, not every dead planet will inevitably become alive one day.

There is NO natural extension between "changing a planet" and "teleporting from one side of the galaxy to another." That's the same kind of logic moviebob uses that if we can 3d print things today, we should be able to grow wheat on the moon. The two areas of science - even made up science - aren't in the same ballpark.

I'll also point out a lot of your complaints arise from the 3rd film, less Wrath of Khan.
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Once you establish magical abilities to do whatever you want, nothing is off the table. It's from the same way of thinking, that if its advanced tech then just anything is acceptable.

My criticism is of both films.
 
Major problem with the Genesis Device isn't whether it works or not, but the location of the target celestial body. No effing good to create an habitable world when it is still in a location that prevented said world from being life sustainable in the first place. Too close to a sun, or suns, black hole and such or too far away from a sun.
 
trekkor said:
Trailer for Rick and Trek dropped. I dunno, some of the jokes were decent (I had a chuckle at the holodeck waste disposal gag), but I don't think it's good when I can already tell which characters I am absolutely going to despise.
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You know, I always thought STV was the lowest point, then Discovery came out.

Now I'm not sure which one's worse, that, or this R&M wannabe?
 
Kinotobie said:
Wrath of Khan said it could work on any "dead moon or planet". And it actually reverted Spock back to a baby (why not a fetus?) and brought him back to life, which was totally ridiculous. It's the same thing the Spore Drive did with that doctor character.
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Someone in this very thread (I honestly don't remember who, but it doesn't matter) already said why this comparison you just made was bullshit. Yes, Spock's (dead) body was rebooted by the Genesis Device.. but this was a total freak occurrence, because the entire planet (Spock's dead body included) was "rebooted". Also, Spock's revived body was an empty shell. The only reason why Spock came back from death at all was because he psychically transferred his mind/soul into Bones's head right before he died in Wrath of Khan, and the other Vulcans were somehow able to transfer that back into the empty shell... This was explicitly stated to *NOT* be a regular thing that happened to Vulcans, but it totally makes sense within the rules that we are shown.

Kinotobie said:
Once you establish magical abilities to do whatever you want, nothing is off the table. It's from the same way of thinking, that if its advanced tech then just anything is acceptable.
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The Vulcans were established early on to have limited psychic abilities. (i.e. the Vulcan Mind Meld) This *isn't* the same thing as the "magic" of space mushrooms literally allowing you to travel through space almost instantaneously, and basically do whatever the fuck you want to. There were actual rules with Vulcan psychic abilities. Not so much with the magic mushroom drive, from what I've seen at least.
 
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trekkor said:
Trailer for Rick and Trek dropped. I dunno, some of the jokes were decent (I had a chuckle at the holodeck waste disposal gag), but I don't think it's good when I can already tell which characters I am absolutely going to despise.
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MFW there are poop jokes in the first minute of the trailer
 
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