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Starscreams Cape said:
The writers of Nu-trek could never write something like this in a million years. I sincerely doubt they'd genuinely understand it and its Shakesperean lineage. They would look at you with empty stares and ask "what color is the father and the daughter?"
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Shakespeare is just some dead white guy who needs to be done away with to them, at least when they're not pretending he was a kang.
 
Strange Wilderness said:
As I continue to watch the Original series one of the things I've noticed is how characters disagree with their superior officers. Like you mentioned Spock confronts Kirk on his quest for vengeance but he does so in a professional way, saying that if Kirks obsession affects the lives of the crew Spock will be forced to take command for the good of the ship. Similarly in the Doomsday Machine episode Spock regains control of the ship by calmly pointing out that the Admirals mental state is not fit for command and he will have McCoy medically diagnose him as suicidal and unfit for command. In the episode where Kirk goes full Ahab on the energy cloud both Spock and McCoy confront him over his obsessions saying he is behaving irrational and putting their lives at risk and how he is better than this.

Compare this to most modern media where if someone disagrees with their superior its usually in an aggressive manner usually pulling a gun on them and shouting at them how they are wrong while trying to convince everyone else to join them in their mutiny. I've seen some clips of STD and in it Michael is physically assaulting her Captain and people arrogantly talk down to their superiors, just telling them to their face they are wrong and the hero is always right. This is in contrast to TOS where characters confront Kirk not because they think they're right but because they think Kirk is going down a dark path and he's a better person than that.
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There's a scene from TNG that shows this very well:


They are very calm about it, respect each other and resolve it in private. I always loved that scene, the way how they treat each other is just nice to watch.
In STD and STP, you wonder if there even is a chain of command, cause anyone can do anything without being punished, it's a madhouse.
Also, watching the first few episodes of STD, the one time someone does something that gets them punished, it's Burnham, who is accused of starting a war with the Klingons, even though they instigated it all.

This video puts it into context as well:

I can't wrap my head around this at all. They want to make him look like a fool and her like a quirky, spunky STRONK WAHMAN, but they achieve the opposite. She's an arrogant bitch, she doesn't even allow him to make a statement and then there's the subtle thing: He never interrupts her speech, but she never lets him finish even just one sentence.
If that chick is a captain, she must be the worst one I've seen, she'd get along nicely with Holdo from Star Wars.

Too bad, the actress is pretty good and she looks cute, but damn, this is a terrible screenplay.

Strange Wilderness said:
The writers read Hamlet, saw some of the main themes behind it, and rewrote a more optimistic version of the story. I can't see modern TV doing anything like that today.
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What, some racist old white guy? His works hardly include any PoC at all! And no trannies or gays!

If they read it, their first instinct would be to look for the most iconic character and turn them into a gay quadriplegic muslim tranny in a wheelchair. Their next instinct would be how to invalidate everything within that story, to piss off the original fans of it. Their attitude towards creation isn't love, it's spite.
 
RomanesEuntDomus said:
If that chick is a captain, she must be the worst one I've seen, she'd get along nicely with Holdo from Star Wars.
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She sucks. She's absolutely incompetent. A "captain" like this doesn't even exist in the same universe as a Kirk or a Picard.

RomanesEuntDomus said:
There's a scene from TNG that shows this very well:
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This is one of the best scenes of TNG and says all you need to know about what it means to be a Starfleet officer. It's this kind of character-driven, worldcrafting content that makes TNG every bit the equal of TOS.
 
Honka Honka Burning Love said:
I tried STO once..and it made me realize how much I hate every federation ship design outside of Constitution and Galaxy.
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but nova class is kawaii

also, fuck whoever brought up the enterprise theme, now I got that shit stuck in my head. you all gonna suffer with me!


best crank it up to eleven and make it your neighbors new favorite song too

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RomanesEuntDomus said:
I can't wrap my head around this at all. They want to make him look like a fool and her like a quirky, spunky STRONK WAHMAN, but they achieve the opposite. She's an arrogant bitch, she doesn't even allow him to make a statement and then there's the subtle thing: He never interrupts her speech, but she never lets him finish even just one sentence.
If that chick is a captain, she must be the worst one I've seen, she'd get along nicely with Holdo from Star Wars.

Too bad, the actress is pretty good and she looks cute, but damn, this is a terrible screenplay.
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I think their excuse was "haha it's comedy!" and it's written exactly like you'd expect based on that statement alone.
 
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White Devil said:
DS9's was also very distinct but it was kind of bland.
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The DS9 theme is too slow and the montage with different shots of the station often made me fall asleep. McCarthy added some synth crap in the later seasons to make it worse.

ditto said:
But still the incidental music is the exactly same dull style that DS9, Voyager and late TNG used. It could've used a bit more wacky / TOS musical influences.
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I think the score got a bit better as the show went on. Most people remember Brian Tyler's work in the episode "Regeneration" because it sounded radically different than the usual. The regular composers like Dennis McCarthy got more freedom, I mean the fact that Archer got a theme says a lot.

Strange Wilderness said:
The writers read Hamlet, saw some of the main themes behind it, and rewrote a more optimistic version of the story. I can't see modern TV doing anything like that today.
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"Hell yeah"
 
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Tasty Tatty said:
TAS has a furry.
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They never shut the fuck up about her, but I have watched all of TAS. Her screentime across the entire series has to be less than two minutes. Motherfuckers are obessed.

White Devil said:
I just started Enterprise. I've never seen it at all and when it originally aired, I was losing my interest in watching television, cept for wrestling with my dad. I gotta say, I don't hate it so far. T'Pols tittie's in the first episode was nice and it's pretty obvious they cast her for pure eye candy. No matter, not like playing a Vulcan is hard; you just deadpan the whole role. One thing that does annoy me is they keep referring to the shop as Enterprise instead of The Enterprise.
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If you're someone who liked Stargate a lot I'm thinking you're really going to like Enterprise. It really seems like they were going for a Stargate vibe.
 
RomanesEuntDomus said:
There's a scene from TNG that shows this very well:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=vMKtKNZw4Bo
They are very calm about it, respect each other and resolve it in private. I always loved that scene, the way how they treat each other is just nice to watch.
In STD and STP, you wonder if there even is a chain of command, cause anyone can do anything without being punished, it's a madhouse.
Also, watching the first few episodes of STD, the one time someone does something that gets them punished, it's Burnham, who is accused of starting a war with the Klingons, even though they instigated it all...
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As they say, it's probably a "sign of the times". If you watch any White House press briefing see how disrespectful the media is to the Office of the President these days. And it's not entirely an issue with Orangeman. They were almost as disrespectul to Bush 43. Hell, there was a townhall with Trump a few weeks ago and some lady told Trump to be quiet and let her finish when he was earnestly trying to answer her question.


I blame two generations of parents telling their kids that "you're special, don't ever let anybody tell you you're not, you can do anything and if you can't it's not your fault...."

Man do we need a "hands off" generation of parenting desperately.
 
AnOminous said:
This is one of the best scenes of TNG and says all you need to know about what it means to be a Starfleet officer. It's this kind of character-driven, worldcrafting content that makes TNG every bit the equal of TOS.
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Exactly. It's also a great example of how you can have conflict within a scene - without yelling and screaming or even bickering. It probably works even better since Worf (being Klingon) is the most passionate of the crew while Data is... well a robot and thus without feelings (and that makes me feel sad).

It's also a very rational scene. Both characters have their motivations and history, so you get where they are coming from. Worf had a long history (and habit) of being able to voice his thoughts. Data obviously has expectations for his command. The conflict makes sense and you don't have one side or the other being cartoonishly wrong.

They're like... what's the word I'm trying to think of...

ADULTS!

ZMOT said:
I think their excuse was "haha it's comedy!" and it's written exactly like you'd expect based on that statement alone.
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But it's not funny. :\
 
ZMOT said:
I think their excuse was "haha it's comedy!" and it's written exactly like you'd expect based on that statement alone.
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That and I also saw: "lol who cares, it's not canon to Discovery". If this crap is not canon then why make "Short Treks" in the first place?
 
As a thought experiment, I tried and tbh probably failed, to come up with a Trek spinoff worse than Lower Decks, Picard or STD. Anyway, here's the pitch:

After a long and distinguished career, Miles O'Brien decides to retire from Starfleet. Recalling the fond memories from back when he was stationed on DS9, he and Keiko decide to move to Bajor and settle down.

As soon as they move in though, they get some bad news. Molly is super pregnant and the father is a deadbeat Klingon who left her. So she moves in with them. (no need to make Kirayoshi a character, just say he's in Star fleet as an engineer following in his old man's footsteps or something)

Making things even wackier, it turns out that the O'Briens just moved in next door to the only family of Cardassians on Bajor. (and Miles is still super racist against Cardies) If you haven't guessed by now, this is a sitcom set in the Trek universe. And that sitcom's title?

Keeping up with the Cardassians.

Feel free to come up with equally bad premises for a Trek Spinoff!
 
Season 2 starts with Kirayoshi retiring/kicked out of Starfleet to live out her truth as Yoshiko back with the family and the episode ends on O'Brien looking at his Davey Crocket hat with a distant look on his face, and his old phaser sitting out of focus in the background.
 
I think I would legit watch Keeping Up With the Cardassians, especially over anything produced post-Abramsverse.
 
Star Trek: Ocuties - A movie about several young Ocampa women who break from Ocampan tradition and produce sexually explicit holosuite programs for their Talaxian handler.

ZMOT said:
but nova class is kawaii

also, fuck whoever brought up the enterprise theme, now I got that shit stuck in my head. you all gonna suffer with me!

https://youtube.com/watch?v=zuf1KuibAeY
best crank it up to eleven and make it your neighbors new favorite song too
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When I first heard this for the pilot of The Enterprise, I thought it was really cheesy. 3 episodes later, I’m fist pumping this anthem and bellowing it out at the top of my lungs! The words are incredible, the performance is incredible. And that’s before I knew it was a Rod Stewart song from a movie. This song actually DOES sum up what the show Enterprise was about. I don’t care what the detractors say, this song is absolutely epic and so invigorating and life affirming! Those that get it, know it.
 
Stab You in the Back said:
When I first heard this for the pilot of The Enterprise, I thought it was really cheesy. 3 episodes later, I’m fist pumping this anthem and bellowing it out at the top of my lungs! The words are incredible, the performance is incredible. And that’s before I knew it was a Rod Stewart song from a movie. This song actually DOES sum up what the show Enterprise was about. I don’t care what the detractors say, this song is absolutely epic and so invigorating and life affirming! Those that get it, know it.
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It's probably sarcastic but that's why I like the opening theme. Sure a song feels off compared to the previous opening themes but when it fits perfectly once you add the montage, it's all about pushing the boundaries, going out there in the unknown.

Stab You in the Back said:
Star Trek: Ocuties - A movie about several young Ocampa women who break from Ocampan tradition and produce sexually explicit holosuite programs for their Talaxian handler.
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I wonder if the Federation will find out about that talaxian's antics like his private moon where rich people from all over the quadrant can have fun with young ocampa girls.
 
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