Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

[RomanesEuntDomus]

Without wasting even just a second on STD S3, so all dilithium crystals exploded ... but... aren't there like a dozen or so episodes all across Trek, where the crew has to re-energize dilithium crystals or reform them out of lesser or impure stuff? I feel like that's something that pops up in every incarnation of Star Trek this far in some way.

STD really is a show that begs the question: Why is this Star Trek?
It has nothing of its themes, goes out of its way to be different to what Star Trek actually is and does its best to shit on what made Star Trek good. Now, they avoid the setting entirely, why even bother? Maybe the show would have been half decent if it was doing its own thing.

 

[Jesus Goldstein]

Which would never happen in ST. I'm sure that, even if some cadet shows up saying "hey, maybe Hitler had a point", they wouldn't destroy, but would talk to him.

Wasn’t that more or less done in “Patterns of Force”? John Gill thought the Nazis “had a point” (they could be a model of efficiency for the Ekosians) and Kirk tried to save his ass when it didn’t work out. TOS yet again shows us how it’s done.

 

[ditto]

Without wasting even just a second on STD S3, so all dilithium crystals exploded ... but... aren't there like a dozen or so episodes all across Trek, where the crew has to re-energize dilithium crystals or reform them out of lesser or impure stuff? I feel like that's something that pops up in every incarnation of Star Trek this far in some way.

Voyager had an alien race use the graviton surge to acheive warp without dilithium crystals. Faster than warp, even. TNG had the Soliton Wave that allowed ships to go to warp without a warp drive. Not to mention the Travellers.. Q etc.

John Gill thought the Nazis “had a point”

And Kirk calls it the most effecient system of government ever devised.

 

[BScCollateral]

Also how the flying fuck doesn't the Federation, 1000 years into the future, have alternatives to space flight other than dilithium crystals?

I could have sworn that dilithium crystals haven't been used since Next Generation.

They were sort of a meme in TOS where just about every engine failure was traced to the dilithium crystals, so they stopped talking about them entirely. It's sort of the same reason Scotty, not Dr. McCoy, tells Kirk that Spock is dead.

 

[Catgirls are Love]

Also how the flying fuck doesn't the Federation, 1000 years into the future, have alternatives to space flight other than dilithium crystals? I refuse to believe no one brought this problem up in the writer's room. It fucks me up so badly that you have three shows where you either have

Without wasting even just a second on STD S3, so all dilithium crystals exploded ... but... aren't there like a dozen or so episodes all across Trek, where the crew has to re-energize dilithium crystals or reform them out of lesser or impure stuff? I feel like that's something that pops up in every incarnation of Star Trek this far in some way.

Sounds like they decided to copy the concept of something making all FTL travel much more difficult from another Star Trek series that failed to get off the ground and decided that instead of making a reasonable explanation they would just continue the trend and go full stupid ahead. At least in the cancelled web series there was a war where it was used to devastating effect which the Federation never really recovered from.

 

[Miller]

Voyager had an alien race use the graviton surge to acheive warp without dilithium crystals. Faster than warp, even. TNG had the Soliton Wave that allowed ships to go to warp without a warp drive. Not to mention the Travellers.. Q etc.

and the Romulans used singularities.

STD really is a show that begs the question: Why is this Star Trek?
It has nothing of its themes, goes out of its way to be different to what Star Trek actually is and does its best to shit on what made Star Trek good. Now, they avoid the setting entirely, why even bother? Maybe the show would have been half decent if it was doing its own thing.

It's even more depressing when you know that this third season is set in the future because they were tired of the remarks about them not respecting the canon. Yet, once they're in this "future", it looks so fucking bland and even less "Trek" than before. With all the money that Kurtzman wasted on shooting on real locations they could have hired the services of designers to establish a coherent post-VOY aesthetic, instead we have more holograms (already present in STD and Picard despite the two shows being set in different eras), computer interfaces ripped from Man of Steel, a Millenium Falcon, people running around with the Mega Man's gun that magically appears on their arms when needed, etc.
They want the show to be about the characters but there's a scene about a guy who has spent 40 years in the same room, waiting for a signal from Starfleet and the guy is just fine. 40 years in a small room and he hasn't gone insane.

I wonder what went through the writer's heads when they decided to make Michael Burnham the focal point of episode 1. Oh sure, she's always taking away scenes from every single other character in the previous seasons, but at least then you had the hope that they might also show you Pike or Lorca or Saru. This was pure suffering.

I bet the next episode will be about the rest of the crew wondering where Michael is and if they're going to survive without her.

 

[rabo]

Voyager had an alien race use the graviton surge to acheive warp without dilithium crystals. Faster than warp, even. TNG had the Soliton Wave that allowed ships to go to warp without a warp drive. Not to mention the Travellers.. Q etc.

And Kirk calls it the most effecient system of government ever devised.

Also the Romulans themselves don't use the same kind of warp drives, they make artificial tiny little singularities that they harvest the power from. I don't think they need dilithium crystals for that. This is fucking political writing bullshit.

"What if all the petrol in the world just exploded what would happen?"
"They use that dilitsomething stuff to power their light speed engines don't they? We can say that exploded!"

 

[Flexo]

Also how the flying fuck doesn't the Federation, 1000 years into the future, have alternatives to space flight other than dilithium crystals? I refuse to believe no one brought this problem up in the writer's room. It fucks me up so badly that you have three shows where you either have

Wasn't the whole point of discovery replacing the space crystals with magic mushrooms?

Forget the franchise, they can't keep their own continuity.

 

[White Devil]

Wasn't the whole point of discovery replacing the space crystals with magic mushrooms?

Forget the franchise, they can't keep their own continuity.

The point of Discovery is to tell you that you're bad, cis white male.

 

[Tookie]

STD would have been much better received if they just picked a fucking concept and stuck with it right off the bat. They could have started off ripping off Andromeda or the idea of a Starfleet ship being stuck in the mirror universe and rolled with it and it would have turned out much better. I suspect the 9000 Executive Producers pulling it in different directions is a large factor in why it's so scatter-brained.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

I read a Reddit theory that the Q aren't as powerful as they seem - instead they have the power to jump to "alternate realities" where what they want has happened. Also the theory said they can take others with them, but this power doesn't work on the Borg for some reason - hence that "you don't provoke the Borg" thing.

 

[ditto]

I read a Reddit theory that the Q aren't as powerful as they seem - instead they have the power to jump to "alternate realities" where what they want has happened. Also the theory said they can take others with them, but this power doesn't work on the Borg for some reason - hence that "you don't provoke the Borg" thing.

The Traveller made it canon that the universe is thought or imagination or somesuch. Like when Beverly got caught in a warp bubble thing and was god of her own tiny universe (until it collapsed).

 

[ToroidalBoat]

The Traveller made it canon that the universe is thought or imagination or somesuch.

"Thought is the basis of all reality" he said.

In other words, magic works in the Star Trek universe, but they call it "sciency" terms, like ESP.

 

[ditto]

"Thought is the basis of all reality" he said.

In other words, magic works in the Star Trek universe, but they call it "sciency" terms, like ESP.

That's if Traveller was telling the truth of course, and not just the Q version of Epstein.

 

[White Devil]

Traveller forcing himself into Wesley's booty hole is no less than he deserved, imo.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

That's if Traveller was telling the truth of course

The Traveller wasn't Q though.

Also in the episode with Amanda Rogers, Q told her to "form an image in your mind" when teaching her a Q trick. And there's that TOS episode with Gary Mitchell that revolves around ESP. And also the Organians, who are "beings of pure thought".

So yeah, psychic power is definitely part of the show, and that Reddit theory I mentioned seems shaky.

 

[ditto]

The Traveller wasn't Q though.

Also in the episode with Amanda Rogers, Q told her to "form an image in your mind" when teaching her a Q trick. And there's the TOS episode with Gary Mitchell that revolves around ESP.

Trek has way too many god-like creatures that show up and vanish as the plot demands. Where was Q or the traveller during the Dominion war for instance.

Babylon 5 is the only show I've seen that does psychic powers consistently and well. RLM Mike was right when he said Star Trek wasn't so much scifi as a fantasy horror anthology show.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

Where was Q or the traveller during the Dominion war for instance.

They conveniently have a "they need to figure it out on their own" attitude when that stuff came up, I guess.

 

[AnOminous]

Without wasting even just a second on STD S3, so all dilithium crystals exploded ... but... aren't there like a dozen or so episodes all across Trek, where the crew has to re-energize dilithium crystals or reform them out of lesser or impure stuff? I feel like that's something that pops up in every incarnation of Star Trek this far in some way.

How does anyone come up with an idea this mind bendingly stupid and somehow get it in the show? Did literally nobody point out this was completely fucking retarded and made no sense at all?

Traveller forcing himself into Wesley's booty hole is no less than he deserved, imo.

I was just glad Wesley left, really. It seemed a little weird to have him leaving to go get molested by a space pederast, but whatever.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

Sounds like they decided to copy the concept of something making all FTL travel much more difficult from another Star Trek series that failed to get off the ground and decided that instead of making a reasonable explanation they would just continue the trend and go full stupid ahead. At least in the cancelled web series there was a war where it was used to devastating effect which the Federation never really recovered from.

Star Trek Animation in the style of the old Batman TAS show?
My god, that's something I never knew I'd want so badly. The setting is weird but depending on how the show treats it, it might be pretty neat. It has potential, it could be good, it could be bad. It's more than I can say for ST in the past decade.

I bet the next episode will be about the rest of the crew wondering where Michael is and if they're going to survive without her.

Getting some Poochie vibes here. "Whenever Michael isn't on screen, the other characters should ask 'where's Michael?'."

They want the show to be about the characters but there's a scene about a guy who has spent 40 years in the same room, waiting for a signal from Starfleet and the guy is just fine. 40 years in a small room and he hasn't gone insane.

They would first have to come up with characters that the audience doesn't want to space the first moment they can. All characters are terribly written with awful dialogue, it seems. I watched 2 or 3 episodes of STD just to see with my own eyes. I kinda liked Saru, cause that guy felt somewhat Star Trek-like, he'd have fit in with other shows, but that's it.

The STD staff couldn't write a good character if they had a gun to their head and all the time in the world.

Trek has way too many god-like creatures that show up and vanish as the plot demands. Where was Q or the traveller during the Dominion war for instance.

That's a little bit the fault of TOS, I guess, where they'd meet incredibly powerful aliens all the time. Some of it carried over into TNG and VOY, but by the time DS9 came around, they had mostly abondoned it, since it clashes with the theme of that show.

If I had to come up with a reason why Q doesn't pop up during the Dominion War, I'd suggest that the Q-continuum doesn't really care when Q farts around in Federation space, pissing off Picard or going out of his way to the delta quadrant to annoy Janeway, but once war starts, the Q-continuum starts to more thoroughly enforce their "let them duke it out themselves" policy.
In that regard, I would assume they are actually more coherent than Janeway and her adherence to the prime directive.