Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier
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Frankly, those designs are okay... but why is this Star Trek?
No established ST races, visually, it doesn't match with anything we saw in ST, ever.
If this was a standalone, it might be even decent, shoehorning this into ST will cripple its own ideas, cripple ST as a setting with unnecessary bloat and it's just yet another instance of some random asshat pushing his creation on the back of an established, popular franchise.
And I have little trust in the ability of the makers to even come up with a decent plot and characters, cause MUH DEEVERSITY checkboxes are more important than entertainment.
5 bucks say the lanky big thing in the middle is a tranny.
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I agree. But he was even better as Weyoun. Worse kept bringing awesome DS9 actors back for tiny cameos .Casey Biggs appears and disappears in about 3 scenes.
Absolute worse was J. G. Hertzler appearing as a Klingon captain only to be immediately killed by some Roy Batty wannabes.
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All of them?
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>we want the Guardians of the Galaxy audience
Where are the humans?
Also funny that there's a blob character, I know another sci-fi Trek-like show that has a cool blob character.
Hertzler played a Klingon lawyer, he ends up in Rura Penthe with Archer at the end of the episode.
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I'm talking about his final appearance in Borderlands. Brent Spiner almost made up for that.. almost
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Anyone who tested positive for telepathy was forced to join the Corp or else take telepathy-suppressing drugs which fucked you up. Ivanova's mother was a telepath who refused to join the corp and was basically drugged into a state of zombie-like lethargy for most of her life because of it. It's one reason Ivanova hated the corp. They weren't a cult. They were more like what another poster compares them to, the CIA. At least couple of episodes dealt with the underground "railroad" of unlicensed telepaths fleeing Earth.
Of course later on you learn why there are telepaths and that's a whole other twist.
There were actually a number of episodes along those lines and contrary to the other poster's view I don't think it got boring. It didn't feel like it was just throwing in arbitrary complications because it was an ongoing challenge trying that crept up in a variety of ways - I recall issues where they could talk but there were basic conceptual misunderstandings, trying to decipher written or encrypted text. Hoshi was a surprisingly strong character as the show went on as someone who in many ways probably shouldn't be out there on a starship in that she's a brilliant but convincingly civilian linguist forced to adapt (which she does). There's also that episode where we get to see the actress play a very different Hoshi and the actress is really, really good in it.
Oh, and on the subject of the Enterprise opening song, without it we wouldn't have been able to get the altered version for that same episode.
Enterprise has the distinction of being the only Star Trek series I actually watched all of.
Yes, Troi's "front row" is the out of universe reason she's there. But it's fun to debate from within the context of the universe.
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There were actually a number of episodes along those lines and contrary to the other poster's view I don't think it got boring. It didn't feel like it was just throwing in arbitrary complications because it was an ongoing challenge trying that crept up in a variety of ways - I recall issues where they could talk but there were basic conceptual misunderstandings, trying to decipher written or encrypted text. Hoshi was a surprisingly strong character as the show went on as someone who in many ways probably shouldn't be out there on a starship in that she's a brilliant but convincingly civilian linguist forced to adapt (which she does). There's also that episode where we get to see the actress play a very different Hoshi and the actress is really, really good in it.
Oh, and on the subject of the Enterprise opening song, without it we wouldn't have been able to get the altered version for that same episode.
Enterprise has the distinction of being the only Star Trek series I actually watched all of.
watched it way back then, so my memory's a bit spotty.
what I meant with boring wasn't the first contact episode in itself, but if most of them would be like that. "first contact of the week" can easily become as boring as monster of the week, and I say that as someone who still has some interest in that.
where ENT failed even more is puttting those first contacts into a different frame - when they leave earth they're entering an established universe where dozens of different species are running around and have been for quite a while. imagine they're getting some R&R and some nausicaan is hitting on hoshi etc. first 1-2 seasons should've been more gritty space western (but not too gritty, it's still star trek). there wasn't a federation yet and the enterprise is only one ship, but it doesn't really feel like it. there should've be constant new discoveries and encounters, not "muh temporal cold war". heck even setting the first few episodes on earth to establish the characters a bit more would've been better.
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Troi always looked squat and dumpy to me, especially in those purple-gray pajamas. I never got into her. Her looks did improve for some reason when they forced her into a uniform.
As a kid, I hated Crosby for leaving the show and I projected that hate onto the Yar character. Now when I look at her as an adult, I see her totally differently, if you get my drift. She reminds my of a tomboy friend I had in high school that I secretly wanted to bone.
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Oh fuck, I forgot the thing about Ivanova's mom, that was sad as hell. I think it's time to give B5 a re-watch before long. The only problem is I'll have to actually pay attention instead of just background it since the writing is actually good.
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Most fuckable TNG lady for me will always be Ro Laren.
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Adult version or loli version?
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The fuck? Adult.
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Feels like some abominable JJ aliens. The one in the middle sort of reminds me of the ones from the last JJ Trek film.
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OK, i need to defend troi a bit. First, the character exists because therapy and mental health started to be a thing back in the 80s. Second, yes, it makes all sense someone needs to take care of the mental state of hundreds of people and their families.
The things we don't see Troi doing:
Check that the children are doing well not suffering from separation or isolation anxiety, that things go well in the same way a school counselor does. She probably does this every month.
Doing mental evaluations of the crew, to see if they're responding appropriately to the stress of the jobs and acting accordingly when they aren't.
Recommend the main officers which members of the crew are up for their tasks or who need some time off ("Geordie, officer Whatshisname just got told his father died, he needs a few days off"), who can be promoted, who needs to go home.
So, technically, she's always busy doing a lot of stuff involving reading the paperwork Geordie, Worf, Bev send about the people they're in charge of.
The problem is that they didn't use this well. First, I don't think she should have been made a Bridge officer, unless this was strictly required by Picard to use her betazoid powers. I mean, Crusher isn't there all the time and not all Counselors are Betazoids.
Besides, she's highly unprepared to be a bridge officer if she doesn't know how the bridge works. I think this was a big mistake from the beginning since she has as much the power to remove Picard and take command as Beverly.
Troi would have been a much better character if we didn't see her next to Picard all the time failing at reading some alien's mind. We don't see Beverly and Geordie there at the bridge at every scene and we know they're important members of the main crew.
The things we don't see Troi doing:
Check that the children are doing well not suffering from separation or isolation anxiety, that things go well in the same way a school counselor does. She probably does this every month.
Doing mental evaluations of the crew, to see if they're responding appropriately to the stress of the jobs and acting accordingly when they aren't.
Recommend the main officers which members of the crew are up for their tasks or who need some time off ("Geordie, officer Whatshisname just got told his father died, he needs a few days off"), who can be promoted, who needs to go home.
So, technically, she's always busy doing a lot of stuff involving reading the paperwork Geordie, Worf, Bev send about the people they're in charge of.
The problem is that they didn't use this well. First, I don't think she should have been made a Bridge officer, unless this was strictly required by Picard to use her betazoid powers. I mean, Crusher isn't there all the time and not all Counselors are Betazoids.
Besides, she's highly unprepared to be a bridge officer if she doesn't know how the bridge works. I think this was a big mistake from the beginning since she has as much the power to remove Picard and take command as Beverly.
Troi would have been a much better character if we didn't see her next to Picard all the time failing at reading some alien's mind. We don't see Beverly and Geordie there at the bridge at every scene and we know they're important members of the main crew.
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As I said, HR employee to a T.
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I assume they're continuing the trend of letting Star Trek be produced by people who would really rather be doing Star Wars or Doctor Who but aren't up to even the rock bottom standards of present-day Lucasfilm or the BBC.
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Here's what I want to know: if she's really Counselor Troi, what happened to Counselors Un & Deux?
Nothing, they're right there:
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Rated 'feels' because I wants to feels 'em.