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Blue milk notwithstanding, it piques my curiosity and makes me want to delve more into these cultures.

The Founders obviously thought of that, because they took away Weyoun's ability to sample the food replicator. Imagine if no one but Italians could properly appreciate pizza, or opera, or art, or fashion.
 
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Dark Edea said:
DRINKING KANAR WITH DAMAR!!
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Dark Edea said:
You seem to imply that non-Italians do appreciate those things, which is laughable.
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The UK lives next door to all those mediterranean cultures and imports nothing. They seem perversely proud of their awful food. Blitz Spirit!
 
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Dark Edea said:
I have seen sellers offering pretty nice Kanar bottles. But if you want alcohol-infused fish juice you have to make that yourself.
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Is kanar supposed to be fish-based? I got a recipe for fish liquor handy for you then:
Grab a bottle of cheap booze, add salt to taste, then you throw in a dried fish and let that sit for 2 weeks.
Me and a friend loved to use it to troll people at parties (and before you ask, yes, that meant we had to drink copious amounts ourselves, but once you get the hang of it, it's actually not that bad).
 
White Devil said:
I'm unclear, do the Trek books even count as canon like the Star Wars EU does?
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The website that kinda handles all the lore has always had two sites, Memory Alpha and Memory Beta. Alpha only considers the lore from the TV shows and movies. While Memory Beta also adds lore from the novels and video games.

So they pretty much keep the canon split. Kinda like how Star Wars has been doing since Disney bought them and threw everything out and it's now "Star Wars Legends"
 
RomanesEuntDomus said:
Is kanar supposed to be fish-based?
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Kanar is syrupy alcohol. Fish juice is more of a morning pick-me-up.

O'Brien mentions that kanar can be enjoyed by humans, though it seriously takes some getting used to.
White Devil said:
I'm unclear, do the Trek books even count as canon like the Star Wars EU does?
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Trek is similar to Star Wars: they routinely "canon cleanse" and don't want to risk fracturing the brand.

Genekilled a book line because he didn't want to share royalties. This included The Romulan Way.
 
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RumblyTumbly said:
The Next Gen movies are terrible. Plain and simple.
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I've become less embittered towards them over time. I've probably talked Generations to death. First Contact is still the most competent movie, and Nemesis is a mostly competent film even if its filled with cliches. They've both kind of scabbed over, especially now that nuTrek is so terrible. First Contact still has an awesome score too, and I really dig the new Romulan theme Goldsmith cooked up for Nemesis. Any Star Trek movie with a good score is still worth a damn.

The plots of both movies have holes you can drive a truck through, but then again so does Wrath of Khan. If you look at Wrath of Khan's plot critically, you'd find that its probably even more ridiculous and contrived than any of the TNG movies. I think its only fair to give the TNG movies the same benefit of the doubt.

Insurrection I still really hate though. I hate the Baku, I hate the plot, I hate the acting (even the TNG actors are barely trying), I hate how horrifically cheap the costumes, props and CGI are, and overall the worst part is that the movie is just so boring. Even Goldsmith's score for this one is limp and uninspiring to listen to. The CGI is the worst thing of all too, Nemesis for all of its many faults actually had really good CG for the era and the Scimitar in particular looks quite good even though it probably belongs more in Warhammer 40k than Star Trek.

White Devil said:
I'm unclear, do the Trek books even count as canon like the Star Wars EU does?
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It really depends on who you ask. Hardcore Trek nerds like the guy over at Ex Astris Scientia refuse to accept *any* licenced material as canon with the sole exception of the Star Trek Encyclopedia. The post-DS9 novels also had two different continuities as I recall. The only thing stuff like DS9 Relaunch had to lend to its credibility were the cooperation of some of the show's actors and I think one of the producers.

In my opinion, the only tie-in stuff that could be considered canon would be the three point and click games; 25th Anniversary, Judgment Rites and A Final Unity, which all featured voice acting from the casts of TOS and TNG and really go a long way towards capturing the look and feel of either show.
 
L50LasPak said:
Nemesis for all of its many faults actually had really good CG for the era and the Scimitar in particular looks quite good even though it probably belongs more in Warhammer 40k than Star Trek.
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From what I seen Trekkies of the Romulan variety and in general will strongly disagree on the Scimitar not belonging in Star Trek. Scimitar, the Rommie Mogai class cruiser and the Remans were about the only good things to come from Nemesis.
 
Preferred Penne said:
The TNG movies are a series of Picard/Data buddy cop flicks. That's probably where the characterization in STP comes from where they're practically gay lovers.
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As Plinkett pointed out, Picard never really fraternized with Data. Stewart and Spiner have good chemistry, but not enough to make that leap.

For that matter, Pine never really bonded with Quinto, either.
 
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jennifermist said:
For that matter, Pine never really bonded with Quinto. The mob who slimed their way in with J.J. have no original ideas. They rely on old iconography to confuse the audience.
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None of the remake cast had chemistry with each other. It just felt like strangers talking at each other instead of with.
 
People who say that Quinto does the original Spock justice probably never watched the original Spock. There was a quiet dignity about Nimoy's performances, whereas Quinto is Chris Pine's gay duckfaced elf buddy.
 
Preferred Penne said:
People who say that Quinto does the original Spock justice probably never watched the original Spock. There was a quiet dignity about Nimoy's performances, whereas Quinto is Chris Pine's gay duckfaced elf buddy.
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So you're telling me, people watch this:
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And their immediate reaction isn't to throw up in their mouth?
 
Preferred Penne said:
People who say that Quinto does the original Spock justice probably never watched the original Spock. There was a quiet dignity about Nimoy's performances, whereas Quinto is Chris Pine's gay duckfaced elf buddy.
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The real stars of the new cast were Pine and Urban.

Urban practically channeled DeForest Kelly to a point where it was like he was possessed by him. As a performance that was based on imitation, it was a really good one.

And Pine, who didn't imitate Shatner, still played him with confidence that made him believable as a young Kirk. I didn't like how they wrote him as a total asshole in the beginning, but Pine made it work as best he could.

Quinto's Spock having those spastic outbursts was the result of somebody in the writer's room going "How do you write a character with no emotion and make audiences empathize with him?" and decided to make some changes. What they don't realize is that what makes character's like Spock work is that when he does have an emotional moment (Say his death in Wrath of Khan II or that moment in TOS where he showed brief happiness over Kirk being okay), it connects more because those moments are so rare, they feel earned.

Its kind of like Grumpy from Snow White. Snow White's death making him cry hurts more than say Dopey or Doc because we don't expect Grumpy to be as effected by it.
 
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