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RomanesEuntDomus said:
It does speak volumes of the actual work experience of the people involved in making this shit.
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Now we are getting to the engine room of our subject.

It's almost like boomers have franchised hollywood and handed it to their dipshit kids. And of course Orci and Kurtzman relate to Kirk: he gets one free pass after another, because of who his daddy is.
RomanesEuntDomus said:
replace authority figures with violent, toxic, arrogant cavemen).
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9/11 changed Trek's DNA, for the worse.
 
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I'm just happy to see people calling out Star Trek 2009 as the shit it was.
Everybody was praising that movie when it came out. Even Red Letter Media went easy on it. I thought that there must be something wrong with me for not liking it.

The dumbest thing was Quinto's shitty Spock. Mommy issue temper tantrums, romantic relationship with Uhura, marooning Kirk on an ice planet instead of, oh you know, putting him in the fucking brig.

Kurtzman and Orci can't write for shit.
 
I think most people agreed that the Spock in 2009 was not Spock. It's why they had to get Leonard Nimoy in there.
 
Travoltron said:
Everybody was praising that movie when it came out. Even Red Letter Media went easy on it.
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Fans had a rep for being continuity cops. Kelvin timeline was a 'fuck you' to a vocal part of the fandom.

The script for the first movie was publicized. It was full of profanities that didn't make it into the film proper.

It was Abrams' decision to make Khan a terrorist. He is the one who chose that cultural touchstone.
 
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Now that I've slept on it, Kelvin Chekov actually was a professional. He was still a Russian nerd that did his job. Then again, I don't think Kelvin Chekov actually enjoys the company of his co-workers, so that might be why.
 
Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
Then again, I don't think Kelvin Chekov actually enjoys the company of his co-workers
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I don't enjoy their company and I've only known them a few hours.

Everyone besides Scotty is a cadet was catapulted into command by circumstance. Chekov is the only one who lacks this dissonance.
 
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Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
What about that time they got control of the Valiant and tried to take out that new Dominion battleship single-handed?
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Wasn't he given control of the Valiant and a field commission? Their mission was recon (which was successful).
Going after the dominion battleship was dumb but no more dumb than Picard picking a fight with Nausicans at their age.
 
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Wasn't he given control of the Valiant and a field commission? Their mission was recon (which was successful).
Going after the dominion battleship was dumb but no more dumb than Picard picking a fight with Nausicans at their age.
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Watters got that battlefield commission because all the other officers were killed. At which point, Watters went on a power trip and disregarded the previous captain's orders to return to base. I'd say the Valiant going half-cocked was worse than what Picard did. Picard only got himself (and potentially his friend) stabbed. Watters lost military hardware and the lives of most of his crewmen.
 
So after rewatching some DS9, i came to the conclusion that everybody is wrong about one thing... Cardassians is the best Garak episode and not pale moon light.
it also has the most world building. Cardassians are not just stand in Nazis, they mix it up with post war france. Bajor is a stand in for Algeria, they even go as far and talk about a coup attempt on Bajor. It also fits later episodes where war hero Dukat takes over the civil government in a soft coup.
 
Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
Watters got that battlefield commission because all the other officers were killed. At which point, Watters went on a power trip and disregarded the previous captain's orders to return to base. I'd say the Valiant going half-cocked was worse than what Picard did.
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The Squad were a thorn in Starfleet'sside as far back as "The First Duty".

It's probably the greatest "crazy cult" Trek ever did, because this time it's personal and the cult is the Federation itself.
Stoneheart said:
Cardassians is the best Garak episode and not pale moon light.
it also has the most world building.
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I'm not sure which episode it was.... Garak and Bashir visit a home for Cardassian orphans, and Garak is making excuses for his government, as usual. Then he is approached by a refugee girl, and his face falls.

His character is a slow burn. In the final episode, he declares Cardassia "guilty as charged", which is a very loaded term to turn on his government. Remember "Tribunal"?
 
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Never was really into it, but I met a schitzo that thinks Q is qanon and he loves to smoke pot with me and watch Star Trek. Anyway, I was just curious as to why every episode has to have some variation of sex with aliens, and don’t even get me started with the white girl in next generation, she fucks androids tribal alien kangs black crew members and Klingons.
I knew Star Trek people were weird but this is another layer.
 
jennifermist said:
I'm not sure which episode it was.... Garak and Bashir visit a home for Cardassian orphans, and Garak is making excuses for his government (as usual). Then he is approached by a refugee girl, and his face falls.
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Thats the Episode im talking about. Its not a refugee girl, its a left behind orphan. the whole episode is a spy thriller.
Its better than Pale moon light because its way mroe realistic, with different sides playing the game.
 
My favorite Garak episode is the two-parter Improbable Cause/The Die is Cast. Great performances from Andrew Robinson and René Auberjonois.
 
Miller said:
My favorite Garak episode is the two-parter Improbable Cause/The Die is Cast. Great performances from Andrew Robinson and René Auberjonois.
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Everyone points to Quark as the series mascot, and that's true. But you can't easily transplant Garak into any other show, Trek or otherwise. He gets to be a full-tilt villain in "Die is Cast"; no Mirror Universe or mind control involved.

"Pale Moonlight" sees the actor at the height of his powers. It gets better every time I see it. When Garak says "I'm in" and shakes Sisko's hand, it's obvious who is getting played.

"Inferno's Light" is good because it shows a human, Romulan, Klingon, and Cardassian (Garak) working together. Klingons have always been the most magnanimous of races; Martok promising to write a song about it is very cool.
 
Can't remember if Chuck posted this before to the public but now it's up on Youtube at least.
 
RomanesEuntDomus said:
You can't even imagine how angry and disappointed I was when I watched the Star Trek shitmake and it got around to the Kobayashi Maru test. The movie up to that point was pretty lackluster, but that felt like someone thrust a dagger in my heart. For decades I wondered how Kirk cheated during that test and then they put out this buttmunchung chucklefuck chewing on an apple and being a fratboy dickwad? Fuck this shit. That scene alone was reason enough to never watch a new Trek thing ever again and to think that in the times of nuTrek, this is actually one of the high points of the franchise makes me sick.
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It was dumb. It kinda felt like Ferris Bueller goes to Starfleet Academy, but Ferris wasn't dumb enough to openly taunt the principal over his cheating.

Chris Pine was a pretty good casting choice as Young Kirk. He's not a great actor, and nobody can fill Shatner's toupee, but he's better than the material he was given in the JJ movies.

He was good at sitting in the captain's chair like a boss. I envy his chair sitting abilities, guy looks like a comfy motherfucker.

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Unfortunately googling that picture reminded me how bad the sets were in the Abramverse. The obnoxious amount of lens flare was bad, but the amount of random blinking lights is just retarded. Nothing inside the Enterprise looked like the Enterprise, especially engineering, which looked like a water treatment plant.
 
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