Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

[L50LasPak]

I thought the holodeck wasn't invented until TNG.

iirc it was an idea for Phase II that maybe popped up in TAS?

There's something called the "rec room" on the Enterprise in TAS that acts suspicously like a holodeck and even, you guessed it, malfunctions and nearly kills the people using it in its only episode.

I will admit that I had a lot of relative good will for Star Trek (2009) at the time. Sure, in retrospect, there were plenty of red flags... And there was literally no point in time where it was even in my top 5 favorite Trek movies.... But at the time, it genuinely seemed like an improvement over the most recent Enterprise. And nobody could have predicted just how shit Trek would get after that, even just in the next movie. Not to even mention the current state of Trek -_-

I'll admit I saw the first JJ Trek when I was still fairly young and just barely warming up to the idea that maybe the TNG movies kinda sucked. I rewatched it again just once and my opinion is still Big Meh. I dislike the movie but it doesn't anger me like Into Darkness or nuTrek does. Its just kind of underwhelming, and then I forget it exists.

 

[White Devil]

There's something called the "rec room" on the Enterprise in TAS that acts suspicously like a holodeck and even, you guessed it, malfunctions and nearly kills the people using it in its only episode.


I'll admit I saw the first JJ Trek when I was still fairly young and just barely warming up to the idea that maybe the TNG movies kinda sucked. I rewatched it again just once and my opinion is still Big Meh. I dislike the movie but it doesn't anger me like Into Darkness or nuTrek does. Its just kind of underwhelming, and then I forget it exists.

Into Darkness remains the only movie I have ever walked out of. I can feel veins beating in my forehead just thinking about that insulting piece of shit.

 

[XYZpdq]

And even Brooks, for all that he was mostly famous for TV, spent plenty of time in live theater.

Also, yeah, they just called it the "rec room," but the first appearance of the holodeck concept was an episode of the cartoon.

yeah but I mean, beyond that I recall stories that at some point somebody asked Brooks about going full scenery buffet and he cited his predecessors and that he just ran with the idea that's how Star Fleet leaders handle things

 

[BScCollateral]

Didn't like the whole cast also show up at various points on Gunsmoke too or was that mostly after TOS had wrapped?

My favorite other-roles trivia is that Nimoy and Shatner both appeared in the same episode of Man From UNCLE.

They were both on Columbo, Shatner twice. And oddly, both times Shatner's character used then-cutting-edge consumer technology; first a VCR and then a cell phone.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

And oddly, both times Shatner's character used then-cutting-edge consumer technology; first a VCR and then a cell phone.

Which is really kind of mind-blowing, to realize that "He used a cell phone to make the call" was once considered a smart move to feign an alibi.
I mean, it was a bit more complicated than just making a call with a cell phone, but still. Technology has come a long way.

 

[BScCollateral]

Which is really kind of mind-blowing, to realize that "He used a cell phone to make the call" was once considered a smart move to feign an alibi.
I mean, it was a bit more complicated than just making a call with a cell phone, but still. Technology has come a long way.

To be fair, they goofed with the cell phone episode; the real solution is "We know where you were when you made the call, because that is how cell phones work." Still, fun stuff.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

To be fair, they goofed with the cell phone episode; the real solution is "We know where you were when you made the call, because that is how cell phones work." Still, fun stuff.

Even that is part of this newfangled tomfoolery called cell phone: People in general didn't really understand that aspect of how a cell phone worked, so they didn't know it would be that easy to undo by the police.
It was a goof that barely anyone would even perceive as such.

 

[BScCollateral]

Even that is part of this newfangled tomfoolery called cell phone: People in general didn't really understand that aspect of how a cell phone worked, so they didn't know it would be that easy to undo by the police.
It was a goof that barely anyone would even perceive as such.

In general, murder mysteries are a potted history of telecommunications. The "I can't tell you over the phone" was excellent advice at the time, because operators routinely listened in to calls to insure call quality, they would report conversations, and the police could act on that. Nowadays it's more "never say over a cell phone something you don't want to hear in court" because they are not secure and you should not have an expectation of privacy.
Then there's the seventies, before every call was switched by computer and recorded. Another early Columbo episode falls apart because it required someone to make a call from one address and convince the other side it was from another address.

 

[Flexo]

I was actually going to say something about the ham technique being very stage actor-like, but hadn't known about this particular play. I could easily see this. Part of why the stage favors this style of acting is you have to project yourself. You don't really have machines doing the job for you. So exaggerated facial expressions, being loud, chewing scenery, all helps. Stewart also started out as a Shakespearean stage actor, and while he was somewhat similar in TNG, he was more restrained in his delivery of speeches.

It's somewhat ironic to think Shatner started out as a stage actor, while Leonard Nimoy started out as mainly playing thugs. James Doohan was on the Howdy Doody Show. You might have seen DeForrest Kelley in old Western shows and movies, like Bonanza and Gunfight at the O.K. Corral (for some reason he was in three different versions of this maybe just from being good at it).

He was far from the only Star Trek star who showed up on Westerns. Bonanza has a lot of them. Did you know Ricardo Montalban showed up on it? So did both Leonard Nimoy and DeForrest Kelley.

And never forget Night of the Lepus.

Also Shatner did set up one of the best jokes ever on 3rd Rock from the Sun.

Really, his best performance ever.

Mark Lenard, Spock's dad, was also on an episode of Gunsmoke. Had a small role in Hang 'Em High, too, one of my fave Eastwood westerns.

And they were both in Mission Impossible.

In general, murder mysteries are a potted history of telecommunications. The "I can't tell you over the phone" was excellent advice at the time, because operators routinely listened in to calls to insure call quality, they would report conversations, and the police could act on that. Nowadays it's more "never say over a cell phone something you don't want to hear in court" because they are not secure and you should not have an expectation of privacy.
Then there's the seventies, before every call was switched by computer and recorded. Another early Columbo episode falls apart because it required someone to make a call from one address and convince the other side it was from another address.

Here's some free advice: If you're going to commit a crime, do NOT take your cell phone with you. (Or even better, take someone else's cell phone. Just the other day I borrowed @Bender's...)

Because guess what? Police can very easily get a report from the cell company that just your device was triangulated into the area of the crime without any civil rights violation. This isn't even if you made a call or have "location" turned on your cell. It's just how cell phones work.

Also make sure you buy whatever you use for your crime in cash. Also do not use your credit card in the area you did your crime. Just carry cash with you while being illegal.

Making a separate post because this suddenly explains the TNG movies AND Picard...

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

Here's some free advice: If you're going to commit a crime, do NOT take your cell phone with you. (Or even better, take someone else's cell phone. Just the other day I borrowed @Bender's...)

Because guess what? Police can very easily get a report from the cell company that just your device was triangulated into the area of the crime without any civil rights violation. This isn't even if you made a call or have "location" turned on your cell. It's just how cell phones work.

Also make sure you buy whatever you use for your crime in cash. Also do not use your credit card in the area you did your crime. Just carry cash with you while being illegal.

A year or so ago, someone faked a traffic jam in Berlin by picking a cart full of used cll phones and dragged them along an empty street.
Google realized there's a shitton of phones in the same area on a street, moving at a similarly slow pace and decided there must be a lot of traffic and rerouted everyone using a google based satnav.

Some (chinese iirc) smartphone maker got into trouble a few years ago, cause his phones would transmit data wirelessly via suprasonic wavelengths that humans can't hear, but it allowed the phones to exchange data unnoticed.

So yeah, using any kind of electronic device when doing shady stuff is dumb beyond measure.

Making a separate post because this suddenly explains the TNG movies AND Picard...
https://youtube.com/watch?v=asnawb0hcJE

Oh this looks interesting I wonder what they'll have to sAH MY GODS.

Spoiler

You can't just link something and not warn us, mate.

 

[Captain Syrup]

Making a separate post because this suddenly explains the TNG movies AND Picard...

By all accounts, Stewart wasn't thrilled with his stodgy, preachy, apparently sexless Captain in Seasons 1-2, and intimated that he might leave the show if something wasn't done about it.

We've seen this time and again with Spiner. Nemesis was tailor-made to please him.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

Making a separate post because this suddenly explains the TNG movies AND Picard...
https://youtube.com/watch?v=asnawb0hcJE

Thanks for the video, as it hilighted one of MajorGrin's backup channels.

And "Captain's Holiday". God give me strength.

By all accounts, Stewart wasn't thrilled with his stodgy, preachy, apparently sexless Captain in Seasons 1-2, and intimated that he might leave the show if something wasn't done about it.

It stands to reason: just because their performance is good, doesn't mean they have a keen insight into the character. We've seen this time and again with Spiner. Nemesis was tailor-made to please him.

I remember it was John Logan that kept insisting on more Data, hence B4. Spiner thought he was getting too old to play the character. Which was true of everyone.

 

[Emo Crow]

There's something called the "rec room" on the Enterprise in TAS that acts suspicously like a holodeck and even, you guessed it, malfunctions and nearly kills the people using it in its only episode.

Yeah, but... Is TAS considered canon in any amount? I think for the most part, we like to pretend it never happened. It's... Bad.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

And "Captain's Holiday". God give me strength.

By all accounts, Stewart wasn't thrilled with his stodgy, preachy, apparently sexless Captain in Seasons 1-2, and intimated that he might leave the show if something wasn't done about it.

It stands to reason: just because their performance is good, doesn't mean they have a keen insight into the character. We've seen this time and again with Spiner. Nemesis was tailor-made to please him.

There's an interview with Stewart about how he started a project to help female victims of domestic abuse, cause his father was in the army and came back with PTSD. He'd regularly beat up his mom for the smallest of reasons (if any). He then mentioned that he also started something to help people like his dad, who deal with PTSD, cause they are victims too.

I really respected him for that.

Then Trump happened and everyone left of Mussolini went completely bonkers over ORANGE MAN BAD and Stewart was no exception. Now, we have him come back to pick up his iconic role again - just so he can help smash that character into pieces. Bravissimo.

 

[Captain Syrup]

Then Trump happened and everyone left of Mussolini went completely bonkers over ORANGE MAN BAD and Stewart was no exception.

It almost could have worked, if the message weren't so muddled. I don't understand what "Brexit" has to do with the synth ban. Is Admiral Pottymouth supposed to be a stand-in for Trump/Johnson or his cabinet?

It sounds like a bait-and-switch. They couldn't get Stewart onboard. So Kurtzman blew smoke up his ass about healing America.

 

[BIG BILL HELL'S]

Oh this looks interesting I wonder what they'll have to sAH MY GODS.

Spoiler

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You can't just link something and not warn us, mate.

Uh, Ira Behr has looked like that for literal decades, it's not something new or novel for him. Amazingly, he's straight! With a wife, and kids!

 

[Captain Syrup]

Uh, Ira Behr has looked like that for literal decades

If Frank Miller and Guy Fieri had a teleporter accident...

He's always been the 'enfant terrible' of Star Trek.

 

[Sexual Chocolate]

Spiner thought he was getting too old to play the character. Which was true of everyone.

He was already distractingly ageing by season 7, and that was on the small screen in standard definition. In 1994.

Getting Brent Spiner back into the mime makeup for a movie in 2002 when he was 52 was just cruel.

Tbf to the guy, he's actually aged well and it's not his fault the greasepaint shows up the eye bags and wrinkles that come with advanced middle age. Frakes looked like Fat Bastard in that horrible ST:E finale, and that was presumably with the benefit of the finest girdle TV network money can buy.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

He was already distractingly ageing by season 7, and that was on the small screen in standard definition. In 1994.

Getting Brent Spiner back into the mime makeup for a movie in 2002 when he was 52 was just cruel.

Tbf to the guy, he's actually aged well and it's not his fault the greasepaint shows up the eye bags and wrinkles that come with advanced middle age. Frakes looked like Fat Bastard in that horrible ST:E finale, and that was presumably with the benefit of the finest girdle TV network money can buy.

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There really was no reason why that finale had to take place in season 7. They couldn't redress an Enterprise set for the Titan and have it take place in-universe present?

 

[Captain Syrup]

Frakes looked like Fat Bastard in that horrible ST:E finale, and that was presumably with the benefit of the finest girdle TV network money can buy.

Granted, seeing Ten Forward in HD took my breath away.

Ungranted, who TF cares about a Troi cameo? She already appeared multiples times on VOY, along with Geordi, Reg and Sulu.

One reviewer put it best:

"I had to stop and think what Berman and Braga were thinking of when they wrote the episode, but I have a feeling it was after a late night filled with snickering and one of them saying, "'The galaxy's not getting any of our bourbon'"