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jennifermist said:
It doesn't help that the Bajorans are a deathly boring, unsympathetic race.
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Ensign Ro was insubordinate and annoying, so I wasn't excited about a show about a whole planet full of them.

Hearing about muh occupation just gets old after about 30 seconds. They're in a galaxy full of horrible and deadly things like the Borg and that giant space crystal that sucks all the life out of entire planets like a fatty at the Golden Corral. The Cardassians weren't that bad. All Gul Dukat wanted was obedient slave labor and occasionally to fuck people's mothers. And really, don't we all?

Kai Winn was great tho. Louise Fletcher knocked it out of the park.
 
Uranus Pink said:
Considering the shit FDR, JFK and LBJ pulled to "win" their elections and what they done in office Nixon was a saint compared to them.
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You want to know why the U.S. is an international joke? Nixon is a good place to start. Clinton and his "New" Democrats stuck a knife in the back of labor, though in truth the process began when Nixon went to China to open up its labor camps and sweatshops borders to American corporations.
Sexual Chocolate said:
Ensign Ro was insubordinate and annoying
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Forbes passed on the role of station XO, which hurt the species a lot. Kira is an understudy. A capable one, but an understudy all the same.

I'm pretty sure Bajor would still have a caste system and mob rule if Dukat hadn't invaded. Some throwback from the dark ages arrives on the station, and the Bajorans start shoving each other off balconies in record time. I get that they needed to prod Sisko into accepting his destiny. But did they need to kneecap the Bajorans to do it?

Just to bring this back to Babylon 5 again: However you feel about it, there was never any ambiguity about Narn. The skies are burnt red, the Centauri ransacked and despoiled the planet. Sure, the Narn accelerated what the Centauri began; such is the way with totalitarian systems.

Ira was vocal about not wanting Bajor to be a Federation planet. But they're too much of a wild card to really get invested in.
 
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jennifermist said:
You want to know why the U.S. is an international joke? Nixon is a good place to start. Clinton and his "New" Democrats stuck a knife in the back of labor, though in truth the process began when Nixon went to China to open up its labor camps and sweatshops borders to American corporations.
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Nixon was actually right about that, though. We were otherwise headed for inevitable nuclear war. Perhaps he just delayed that. I think the wrong turn was Clinton granting them Most Favored Nation status. There is a lot of room between heading toward mutual annihilation and kneeling and deep throating these fucking chinks though, at least as deep as they can get with their tiny chink dicks.

One of the few good things Trump did was smack these chinks around.
 
Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
Once again, Ya Boi Zack had something to say about Star Trek.
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Gotta side with ma boi Zack here.

Archer berates Phlox, probably the most popular crew member besides Trip, for not understanding canine physiognomy. This is Dilbert-level shenanigans. Meanwhile Phlox is trying to jerry-rig a cure for his beagle, light-years away from earth.

I can't tell whether this is supposed to be comedic or not. It probably is, given the tone-deaf humor throughout the episode. I guess it was worth assassinating his character for some belly laughs.
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The cast and producers still stand by this episode. Which shows that ENT was never going to succeed with these midwits in charge.
 
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L50LasPak said:
TAS isn't worth dismissing outright like that. For one thing Yesteryear is one of the best episodes of Star Trek ever written, and there's a fair amount of of decent episodes in there.

As for the bad episodes, you haven't lived until you've seen Kirk and Spock accidentally summon Satan, and then travel to the center of the galaxy where Kirk has an honest to god fucking wizard battle with the guy in charge of the Salem Witch Trials.
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Yeah TAS has some issues but it's not much worse than bad TOS season 3 when it's bad, and it has some legit good stuff like Yesteryear which is DC Fontana flexing her nerd dick on Vulcan shit and has An Important Message, also a bunch of "good if you're into Trek" stuff that follows up on TOS shit, like followups to Tribbles, Shore Leave Planet, and Harry Mudd
it's rarely A-list Trek most of the time but it's really the TOS cast and the no-budget "stand there and talk" animation works well with Trek.
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>accidentally summon Satan
that was no accident
it's fun to see Satan bro shit up with Kirk considering how many gods Kirk kicked in the dick
 
XYZpdq said:
>accidentally summon Satan
that was no accident
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Yeah its not really how the episode gets started, but its easier to explain and gets people interested. The charater is still Satan though (kind of) and the wizard battle is legit.
 
AnOminous said:
Nixon was actually right about that, though. We were otherwise headed for inevitable nuclear war. Perhaps he just delayed that. I think the wrong turn was Clinton granting them Most Favored Nation status. There is a lot of room between heading toward mutual annihilation and kneeling and deep throating these fucking chinks though, at least as deep as they can get with their tiny chink dicks.

One of the few good things Trump did was smack these chinks around.
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One of the funnier aspects of this whole shitshow was that Nixon deliberately didn't tell Japan about his intention to normalize the situation with China up until it was just a matter of a few hours until he made the official announcement. Why you might ask? He was pissed about the US market share of cheap clothes made in Japan.
So yeah, the single most important ally of the US in the entire fucking continent and Nixon fucked them over for petty bullshit that he was too fucking dumb to fix in any way, just so his nation would later on get cucked out of pretty much every aspect of production by China later on (granted, this was the fault of other politicians, but still, can't argue with results).
 
Sexual Chocolate said:
Ensign Ro was insubordinate and annoying, so I wasn't excited about a show about a whole planet full of them.

Hearing about muh occupation just gets old after about 30 seconds. They're in a galaxy full of horrible and deadly things like the Borg and that giant space crystal that sucks all the life out of entire planets like a fatty at the Golden Corral. The Cardassians weren't that bad. All Gul Dukat wanted was obedient slave labor and occasionally to fuck people's mothers. And really, don't we all?

Kai Winn was great tho. Louise Fletcher knocked it out of the park.
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Gul Darhe'el was right, they should have killed all the bajoran scum.
 
So, fellas, let me get some opinions. Should I give Enterprise a try? While I've heard people didn't like it, I've also heard that it's not really that bad and that one of its big problems was just that it started slow.
 
Emo Crow Fumikage said:
So, fellas, let me get some opinions. Should I give Enterprise a try? While I've heard people didn't like it, I've also heard that it's not really that bad and that one of its big problems was just that it started slow.
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Definitely give it a try. It doesn't really pick up until season 2 and at the time it wasn't great but compared to what they call Trek these days...
 
Emo Crow Fumikage said:
So, fellas, let me get some opinions. Should I give Enterprise a try?
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People who don't dig Star Trek tend to like ENT more than the other shows.

My biggest gripe would have to be the supporting cast. Somewhere along the line Paramount tried to clone TNG with more economical actors. Remember that J.G. Hertzler lobbied to join the cast based on his appearance in "Judgment." They were fools not to take him up on it.
 
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White Devil said:
Definitely give it a try. It doesn't really pick up until season 2 and at the time it wasn't great but compared to what they call Trek these days...
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jennifermist said:
People who don't dig Star Trek tend to like ENT more than the other shows. (Contrast with DISCO and Picard which manage to please nobody.)
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As someone who has watched a fair amount of DSC and some of Picard (neither of which I liked in the slightest), I suspect I'll be able to appreciate ENT, at least somewhat.
 
I just got done watching Enterprise a few weeks ago, and I think its the weakest of the classic Trek shows (Classic meaning anything pre-Kelvin).

Its still got its moments though and is worth a watch I'd say.
 
Never much got into Enterprise. The one major memory I have regarding it is flipping through channels and coming upon what I thought was the ending to First Contact.
I was shocked shitless when Cochrane whipped out a shotty and blasted the Vulcan. Seriously unexpected.


For just a moment I thought I'd gone insane until the intro started.
 
Enterprise has plenty of good moments, some decent fanservice-ey stuff (Borg, explaining the Klingon appearance changing, etc.) that fills in a few gaps in-universe too. It's hit and miss, but you probably won't regret the time spent watching it. Just skip the very final episode.
 
ExceptionallyExceptional said:
Never much got into Enterprise. The one major memory I have regarding it is flipping through channels and coming upon what I thought was the ending to First Contact.
I was shocked shitless when Cochrane whipped out a shotty and blasted the Vulcan. Seriously unexpected.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=xLuP_90sabY
For just a moment I thought I'd gone insane until the intro started.
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I had the exact same reaction. I love that they were able to recreate that scene for the show.
 
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