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Roddenberry flew 89 combat missions in the Army Air Forces in WWII and was a cop for the LAPD. That doesn't sound like a hippie to me. It always seemed the success of Star Trek is was made him go off the rails.

I think Gene hated religion because it condemned his favorite vices. He gravitated to the Free Love movement because he wanted to tap as much young pussy as he could and he wanted to abuse substances without judgement. I doubt he believed in the causes much, he just said what he needed to to get a girl's panties off.
considering the shit G Rod got up to like the astroturfed "fan" campaign to save the show through the chick he had running his shady side company he sold studio material through, and his massive sex pest inclinations?
He would have trooned out to avoid responsibility and consequences if it was a thing at the time.
the fact Wesley started as a girl only encourages my theory
 
It always annoyed me that Alexander would join the Klingon Navy. The dubious nature of his dual citizenship aside,* at the end of Firstborn, Worf's arc was accepting that Alexander should choose and if he didn't want to be a Klingon warrior, that was fine.
Again, there was the small matter of the ongoing fuckhuge war at the time (I guess you could say it might have seemed more logical for Alexander to join Starfleet, but nonetheless, his joining the military under the circumstances is pretty understandable).

I would have vastly preferred him to become a diplomat or a merchant or a lawyer or a chef. Have him be inverted Worf that way. Instead, Alexander is inverted when it comes to competence.
They kind of did that with Benjamin and Jake, though. Worf gets to play out the "badass dad frustrated by inept son" archetype instead.
As for Roddenberry, he did what all hippy/lefty/woke guys try to do. Used his philosophy to get laid. He got Nurse Chapel and I'm sure many, many more.
Pretty much. Reading Roddenberry's original treatment for Star Trek, it becomes increasingly clear that the main reason that there are women aboard the Yorktown/Enterprise is fucking.

It's all good just giving you solid info.

It always stuck in my hard drive because I read the 3rd mega crossover the novels did, "Day of Honor" where Klingons are supposed to recreate and celebrate a victory of their ancestors. Alexander in the TNG book recreated a sea battle on the holodeck one of his HUMAN ancestors was in.
Klingons would love human Age of Sail naval warfare. Bad food, uncomfortable accommodations, constant threat of death from the enemy or the environment and the greatest glory that everyone wants is a boarding action where you wade into the enemy crew with blade in one hand and pistol in the other and capture their ship. 😁

I think Gene hated religion because it condemned his favorite vices. He gravitated to the Free Love movement because he wanted to tap as much young pussy as he could and he wanted to abuse substances without judgement. I doubt he believed in the causes much, he just said what he needed to to get a girl's panties off.
Indeed.

considering the shit G Rod got up to like the astroturfed "fan" campaign to save the show through the chick he had running his shady side company he sold studio material through, and his massive sex pest inclinations?
He would have trooned out to avoid responsibility and consequences if it was a thing at the time.
the fact Wesley started as a girl only encourages my theory
He also infamously wanted Deanna Troi to be a "four-breasted hermaphrodite," don't forget...
 
Klingons would love human Age of Sail naval warfare. Bad food, uncomfortable accommodations, constant threat of death from the enemy or the environment

Or as Churchill put it, "rum, sodomy, and the lash."

He also infamously wanted Deanna Troi to be a "four-breasted hermaphrodite," don't forget...

That he didn't get his intersex representation is a stain on Star Trek's progressive ideals. It wasn't better in the 90s, when JMS was denied his transsexual character on B5. But at least Discovery has finally given us a nonbinary they/them character, so we can explore this important aspect of the human condition that totally isn't a fad used by unattractive narcissists so they can shame people who use their language's natural pronouns.
 
TNG's soundtrack is not something that demands a lot of attention, but I always loved these two songs.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=gzSWjLh9cW8
https://youtube.com/watch?v=QQteSPQvVLI
Of all the things Berman did to the franchise, his "music needs to be bland wallpaper to not distract from what you are watching" directive sticks out as unbelievably stupid and small minded even compared to the shit we have seen pulled in nu-trek.

Its like demanding actors actively try to underact in order to "not distract" from the story or whatever because the last thing you need is a memorable performance making people think your show is halfway worth watching.

Hell in early TNG the music was often times the one consistently good element of a show that was going out of its way to be insufferably beige and fart huffing to fit Roddenberry's sensibilities.

My personal favourite example of this is Q Who because of how perfectly the music builds tension and a sense of how serious and ominous the shit you were looking at was, even if said shit was in and of itself just a mysterious cube ship and a bunch of guys in diving outfits covered in disassembled vacuum cleaners.
 
I know Seth has a good team of composers working on The Orville (by the way the soundtrack of the second season is out), but I wish he got Ron Jones to score at least one episode.

My personal favourite example of this is Q Who because of how perfectly the music builds tension and a sense of how serious and ominous the shit you were looking at was, even if said shit was in and of itself just a mysterious cube ship and a bunch of guys in diving outfits covered in disassembled vacuum cleaners.
Q Who and his score for The Best of Both Worlds part 1.


TNG's soundtrack is not something that demands a lot of attention, but I always loved these two songs.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=gzSWjLh9cW8
https://youtube.com/watch?v=QQteSPQvVLI
This one is my favorite
 
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Didn't Roddenberry want people of the future to be nudists off-duty, but of course that didn't fly on American TV?
I have never ever heard this but I would 100% believe it given all the other shit he wanted to do in the series and how this plays into both his "new age smugfuck" schtick and his "horny old goblin" schtick
 
I have never ever heard this but I would 100% believe it given all the other shit he wanted to do in the series and how this plays into both his "new age smugfuck" schtick and his "horny old goblin" schtick
I guess we never will get a clear picture of the man. The closest we came to it was Zefram Cochrane, who (as most of you know) was a parody of the Great Bird.
 
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Didn't Roddenberry want people of the future to be nudists off-duty, but of course that didn't fly on American TV?
Gene Rodenberry was an ugly incel who wanted the future to be non-stop orgies where no one could tell Gene Rodenberry no I will not have sex with you
 
Of all the things Berman did to the franchise, his "music needs to be bland wallpaper to not distract from what you are watching" directive sticks out as unbelievably stupid and small minded
Be fair to Rick. He did add a few hymns.

And a Diane Warren song.
 
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It's too bad that warp drive IRL (at least Alcubierre style) may fry the inside of the "warp bubble" with Hawking radiation at highest possible temperature, at FTL.

Also it's said there could be no way to really control the bubble once started.

And energy buildup could be released in a destructive blast in front of the bubble if it can be deactivated - at least after an FTL journey - blasting the destination.

And then of course there's stuff like negative energy needed, and energy cost.

tl;dr: warp drive IRL may not work
I dunno... sounds like it could work as a great war time surprise...

Klingons would love human Age of Sail naval warfare. Bad food, uncomfortable accommodations, constant threat of death from the enemy or the environment and the greatest glory that everyone wants is a boarding action where you wade into the enemy crew with blade in one hand and pistol in the other and capture their ship. 😁
If they really wanted a winning trek show, pirate klingons would be it.
 
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They built this cult up around him, which irritates the shit outta me. Even Mike Stoklasa will wax poetic about "Gene."

Now that "cancel" fatigue is setting in, I guess we never will get a clear picture of the man. He might as well have never existed. A collection of press releases. The closest we came to owning up to it was Zefram Cochrane, who (as most of you know) was a parody of the Great Bird.
I think looking at him in the same light as George Lucas is fairly apt. The rules and structure and "vision" he laid down for the setting along with a lot of the general worldbuilding are near perfect and made the franchise stand out in a positive way compared to other sci-fi franchises.

However giving him total and 100% control over every little detail resulted in a lot of shit that better detail-fillers would have altered or thrown out and allowed both his ego and his own obscure/skeevy obsessions be crowbarred in to the proceedings to much discomfort and embarrassment all round.

And just like george lucas, once a bunch of shitbag media goons with zero interest or investment in the franchise gained control in currentyear they threw out his rulebook in order to make "subversive" or "edgy" shit, and thus utterly fucked the franchise beyond repair since the shit they were making was worse than the nadir of what came before but without any of the identity or soul it once had.

Say what you like about Berman, atleast he seemed mildly interested in keeping some trapping of Gene's vision and not having star trek devolve completely in to generic tryhard sci-fi hour
 
Or as Churchill put it, "rum, sodomy, and the lash."
Dead 8chan meme is dead.

Didn't Roddenberry want people of the future to be nudists off-duty, but of course that didn't fly on American TV?
I've read somewhere that Roddenberry wanted 24th century Earth to be a planet-sized nudist colony, but I'm not sure what the source was. 🤔

If they really wanted a winning trek show, pirate klingons would be it.
With Klingon sea shanties! 😁

I think looking at him in the same light as George Lucas is fairly apt. The rules and structure and "vision" he laid down for the setting along with a lot of the general worldbuilding are near perfect and made the franchise stand out in a positive way compared to other sci-fi franchises.

However giving him total and 100% control over every little detail resulted in a lot of shit that better detail-fillers would have altered or thrown out and allowed both his ego and his own obscure/skeevy obsessions be crowbarred in to the proceedings to much discomfort and embarrassment all round.

And just like george lucas, once a bunch of shitbag media goons with zero interest or investment in the franchise gained control in currentyear they threw out his rulebook in order to make "subversive" or "edgy" shit, and thus utterly fucked the franchise beyond repair since the shit they were making was worse than the nadir of what came before but without any of the identity or soul it once had.

Say what you like about Berman, atleast he seemed mildly interested in keeping some trapping of Gene's vision and not having star trek devolve completely in to generic tryhard sci-fi hour
With the difference that Lucas seems to have not wanted to have taken such a direct role in overseeing every aspect of production but kept getting forced into by circumstances.
 
Klingons would love human Age of Sail naval warfare. Bad food, uncomfortable accommodations, constant threat of death from the enemy or the environment and the greatest glory that everyone wants is a boarding action where you wade into the enemy crew with blade in one hand and pistol in the other and capture their ship. 😁
Bad food and uncomfortable accommodations is mostly an English tradition and the Japanese Imperial Navy did adopt the uncomfortable accommodations at a later point. Everyone else made it a point to have at least somewhat good food and (semi)comfortable accommodations.
 
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