Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

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Uranus Pink said:
Bad food and uncomfortable accommodations is mostly an English tradition and the Japanese Imperial Navy did adopt the uncomfortable accommodations at a later point. Everyone else made it a point to have at least somewhat good food and (semi)comfortable accommodations.
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"Uncomfortable" in comparison with 25th century standards. You know, like Worf's Klingon bachelor party.

Standardized Profile said:
Explain "dead 8chan meme" and how it relates to Churchill?
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You weren't referencing the ubiquitous 8chan "blood on my knife or shit on my dick" Gowron meme? 🤔

XYZpdq said:
he strongly believed in chicks fucking him
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Roddenberry's original pitch for Star Trek described the young Yeoman Colt (who would eventually evolve into the character of Janice Rand) as being blessed with a "strip-queen figure no uniform can hide." In The Cage pilot, the Talosions also mention that she has "unusually strong female drives."
 
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Cyril Sneer said:
Roddenberry's original pitch for Star Trek described the young Yeoman Colt (who would eventually evolve into the character of Janice Rand) as being blessed with a "strip-queen figure no uniform can hide." In The Cage pilot, the Talosions also mention that she has "unusually strong female drives."
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At least this gave TOS red-blooded humans and real sexual tension. TNG feels so sexless in comparison.
 
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And Discovery, has, well... this:
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Star Trek - galaxy flight - as "hard SF":

* Robots instead of people - biological life isn't adapted to long trips in space.

* Slower-than-light travel such as solar sails or Bussard ramjets. Robots could perceive time differently so a trip at .1 c could seem faster than light.

So basically V'Ger but smaller and slower.

Probably less relatable or fun to watch.
 
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At least this gave TOS red-blooded humans and real sexual tension.
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I don't think the comparative red-bloodedness of TOS versus later iterations of the show should be attributed to Roddenberry's sex-pest tendencies so much as the state of American society at the time (Roddenberry in/famously argued that Trek humans should never argue, cry, or otherwise experience emotional conflicts). On that note, though, Rand's actress, Grace Lee Whitney, later alleged that she had been raped during her relatively brief stint on Star Trek by a studio executive whom she always refused to name, leading some fans to speculate that Roddenberry had been the culprit. Whitney fell into alcoholism soon after but, happily, was eventually able to turn her life around, thanks in part to Leonard Nimoy (whom she stated was the only member of the TOS crew who had some idea of the turmoil she was going through) and eventually was able to think of Star Trek as a more of positive part of her life, thanks, again, to Nimoy, and to the many uplifting interactions she had with fans over the years.

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TNG feels so sexless in comparison.
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The best parts of early TNG are watching Q take the piss out of the "evolved" humans.

"If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought to go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross. But it's not for the timid."

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ToroidalBoat said:
Star Trek - galaxy flight - as "hard SF":

* Robots instead of people - biological life isn't adapted to long trips in space.

* Slower-than-light travel such as solar sails or Bussard ramjets. Robots could perceive time differently so a trip at .1 c could seem faster than light.

So basically V'Ger but smaller and slower.

Probably less relatable or fun to watch.
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Well, yeah: the whole point of Trek is pretty much that "where no man has gone before" bit...🤔
 
ToroidalBoat said:
The fight scene music is pretty funny.
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Is it just me, or do almost all pre-John Williams movie/TV scores sound kind of samey? Like, I could swear I've heard that music in any random Doug-McClure-versus-rubber-dinosaur fight scene... 🤔

ToroidalBoat said:
A show with nothing but unemotional robots who take decades to travel to the closest star system sounds very thrilling.
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Indeed.
 
Just you wait, Q will lecture Picard about pronouns, then snap his finger to turn into a black muslim lesbian tranny in a wheelchair speaking yiddish and that's gonna be his look for the entire rest of Kurtzman-Trek.
John DeLancie will have a 60 second cameo, just enough to give him top billing, before they replace him with some random tard that will constantly berate Picard for being a brutish, privileged old white man, who needs to👏shut👏up👏and👏listen!👏

wow much STUNNING such BRAVE.

Also, I just realized that the absolutely only thing "discovered" in STD was new gender pronouns. :story:
 
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davids877 said:
And Discovery, has, well... this:
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This is why they've created these bland characters and hired those actors.
It doesn't matter if they destroy everything Star Trek stood for, as long as they get these good goy awards. I would even say that it's why they keep renewing STD despite that no one really watches the show or talk about it.

Cyril Sneer said:
Gowron meme
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Shit I forgot about that one. I miss 8ch.
 
Cyril Sneer said:
You weren't referencing the ubiquitous 8chan "blood on my knife or shit on my dick" Gowron meme? 🤔
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I don't know that meme. I am shamefully unacquainted with 8chan culture. I was referring to the "naval tradition" meme that's been around since the 60s. It is widely attributed to Churchill, but the oldest witness I could find was published in Punch. It seemed appropriate for Klingon culture. Replace rum with blood wine, the lash with pain sticks, and leave sodomy as it is, I suppose. (We don't know that Klingons sodomize each other, but if you consider Discovery canon, they have two penises so it's reasonable to assume a Klingon male would penetrate both vagina and anus simultaneously.)

Cyril Sneer said:
Roddenberry's original pitch for Star Trek described the young Yeoman Colt (who would eventually evolve into the character of Janice Rand) as being blessed with a "strip-queen figure no uniform can hide." In The Cage pilot, the Talosions also mention that she has "unusually strong female drives."
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And she's named after an uncastrated male horse. The messaging is a little mixed, but I assume careful viewers would have noticed the association with the sexual drive. It's much clearer in Rand, derived from "randy," which has meant lewd or lustful since the 19th century. (Or it might be a reference to the RAND Corporation, which is more likely but not as funny.) Roddenberry broke with this pattern when he created Christine Chapel, whose very name suggests the sanctity of marriage. I like to think this was a wry criticism of the network's absurd rejection of the Number One character, but he was fucking her so he probably just felt possessive.

The pattern of sexual names resumed with Deanna Troi, named after the virgin goddess Diana and Helen of Troy; she's not as slutty as Colt or Rand[y], but perhaps more desirable. Crusher was obviously intended to be a fetish character; as the character was developed they retained the mommy aspect and the medical examination scenes, but I don't think they ever depicted her crushing insects or puppies with high heels. I don't know if Roddenberry was doing anything clever with Natasha Yar, but she got raped a lot and had drunk sex with a robot, so there was really no need for innuendo.
 
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ToroidalBoat said:
incorporeal "beings of pure thought"
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That's as incorporeal as a being can get, by the way. Such a being would be formless, invisible, and have a "brain" of a spacetime phenomenon (read: magic) that processes their thinking. Maybe that's why beings like that get bored and mess with more corporeal "lesser" races?
 
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