Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

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Miller said:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=6mx7s9Utlz8
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Check out the blond chick at around the 68s mark. Check out how much emotion the VA puts into her lines and how blandly and boring the actress actually emotes.
 
UnKillShredDur said:
There's nothing at all wrong with DS9, and to compare it to JJ Trek is retarded. Even if there are some similarities between the two, DS9 worked because that was not the norm for Trek at the time. Yeah it had massive ship battles that were likewise not normal for Trek, but that was the entire point, and it's why DS9 was so fucking fantastic and still holds up. "What happens to a functional utopia of fucking science nerds when it's being challenged by an over-powered, and unreasonable antagonistic force?" Was a fucking amazing response to TNG, and I'm still convinced that Behr was too stupid to know what the show he was running was actually saying, because he doesn't seem to actually understand it in any interview I've ever seen him give.

On the other hand, JJ Trek made that shit the norm, and it retroactively made it the norm from almost the earliest point of the Trek timeline, and it is entirely the reason why STD, STP, and that shitty cartoon all suck so much.
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To put things into perspective, DS9 is like what if Star Wars: Empire Strikes Back was an entire TV show instead of just a movie, (good guys vs. an unreasonable, implacable, heavily-armed enemy force) while JJ Trek is basically the disjointed SW Sequel Trilogy.
 
Judge Holden said:
Everyone is still waddling around on the ground in their ordinary starfleet uniforms and firing off like they were just given the phaser and shown how to use it five minutes beforehand
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For"The Siege of AR-558", the director wanted the crew to beam in while crouching. Nicole de Boer raised the point that "nobody ever beams in crouched down." She and the director got into it. The production office had to be called. They ruled Nicole's way. So the Defiant crew beam in while standing up, with no cover.

I guess nobody told them that Kirk beamed in while crouching. ("The Corbomite Maneuver")
 
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jennifermist said:
There's a funny story from Season 7. During "The Siege of AR-558", the director wanted the crew to beam in while crouching. Nicole de Boer raised the point that "nobody ever beams in crouched down." She and the director got into it. The production office had to be called. They ruled Nicole's way. So the Defiant crew beam in while standing up, with no cover.

I guess nobody told them that Kirk beamed in while crouching. ("The Corbomite Maneuver")
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And in the animated episode Bem, my heart did a little happy skip when a security team beamed down in a circle, backs to one another, weapons drawn.
 
Why hasn’t there been a really great Star Trek game yet? There’s been plenty of great Star Wars games but I can only think of a few okay ST games. Just rip off mass effect or KOTOR and call it Star Trek.
 
Saul Goodman Fan said:
Why hasn’t there been a really great Star Trek game yet? There’s been plenty of great Star Wars games but I can only think of a few okay ST games. Just rip off mass effect or KOTOR and call it Star Trek.
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The Starfleet Command games were excellent. So were most of the 90s FMV ones.
 
jennifermist said:
I'd argue SW is actually worse. Nu Trek sort of works as an anthology.

SW unapologetically wastes your time. Probably has more in common with the CW. Most of it is geared toward the teenage girl demographic.
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That's the sad truth of it. NuSW just pisses off the old guard and tries to court a demographic that would have a greater interest in it if they had a strong male lead that would dominate a female point-of-view character.

Just look at what happened with the Reylos. Yikes.

That, and people can always laugh off JJ Trek as an alternate timeline, whereas in SW, they forced nuWars in as the new main timeline and made the old canon the alternate timeline.

Saul Goodman Fan said:
Why hasn’t there been a really great Star Trek game yet? There’s been plenty of great Star Wars games but I can only think of a few okay ST games. Just rip off mass effect or KOTOR and call it Star Trek.
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Mass Effect was designed to be a mish-mash of Star Trek and Star Wars: KOTOR, was it not?
 
LORD IMPERATOR said:
That's the sad truth of it. NuSW just pisses off the old guard and tries to court a demographic that would have a greater interest in it if they had a strong male lead that would dominate a female point-of-view character.

Just look at what happened with the Reylos. Yikes.

That, and people can always laugh off JJ Trek as an alternate timeline, whereas in SW, they forced nuWars in as the new main timeline and made the old canon the alternate timeline.


Mass Effect was designed to be a mish-mash of Star Trek and Star Wars: KOTOR, was it not?
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I found ME to be more like Babylon 5 and then it turned into pulp crime dramas in 2.
 
Saul Goodman Fan said:
Why hasn’t there been a really great Star Trek game yet? There’s been plenty of great Star Wars games but I can only think of a few okay ST games. Just rip off mass effect or KOTOR and call it Star Trek.
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"Tell me Commander. If the Federation is so great, how come there are no good Star Trek games?"

While you're generally right, I think a lot of people have a few Star Trek games they like despite their flaws. For me, it's Starfleet Command (detailed but slow ship-to-ship combat in the TOS era) and 25th Anniversary (pretty good adventure game). A Final Unity also looks okay if only for all the recorded voice lines but I didn't play that much.
 
Intelligent Calcium said:
While you're generally right, I think a lot of people have a few Star Trek games they like despite their flaws. For me, it's Starfleet Command (detailed but slow ship-to-ship combat in the TOS era) and 25th Anniversary (pretty good adventure game). A Final Unity also looks okay if only for all the recorded voice lines but I didn't play that much.
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There was once a really nice vector-based arcade game which was more or less a space combat simulator, made by Sega in 1982, along the lines of the 1980 Atari Battlezone.
 
LORD IMPERATOR said:
That's the sad truth of it. NuSW just pisses off the old guard and tries to court a demographic that would have a greater interest in it if they had a strong male lead that would dominate a female point-of-view character.

Just look at what happened with the Reylos. Yikes.

That, and people can always laugh off JJ Trek as an alternate timeline, whereas in SW, they forced nuWars in as the new main timeline and made the old canon the alternate timeline.


Mass Effect was designed to be a mish-mash of Star Trek and Star Wars: KOTOR, was it not?
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Wasnt nearly as bad as what 343 did to the halo old guard with "fuck you halo fans we want COD FANS" right out of the gate with halo 4 and banning people left and right and censoring any criticism of them no matter how benign to this day and having the Nu-Halo crowd cancel anyone they don't like or just random people because theyre rabid animals that eat their own for fun.

Also lol cant believe there are still retards trying to cope by saying "SEE MOMMY! HERES A STWONG FEMALE WEEAD! NOW PLEASE SUCK MY PP!" all over youtube and its annoying as fuck even in 2021, 5 years after that trend took off.

They dont have a good female lead because they dont want one and dont care. they want to go for a power grab and short of them featuring on a documentary of animal planet, are hellbent on doing that just to push a message AND blatantly waste your time and resources bitching about it instead of making your own shit or shutting the fuck up and not giving them your money in the first place.
 
One of my favorite Star Trek games was Star Trek : Shattered Universe. Shame that is was only on PS2 and Xbox. It was basically Wing Commander in a Star Trek Mirror universe skin.
 
Nick Gurs said:
And ST then never touched that subject again because those situations still haven't been resolved IRL over 20 years later as its a fucking landmine topic
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There was a DS9 two-parter that, while not intentional at the time, is viewed today as a pretty chilling commentary on the increasingly authoritarian security measures the government will take when faced with a threat to society like the Changelings.
jennifermist said:
Trekkies used to carry that stigma. They were among the first fandoms, "a group of obsessives" as Shatner called them
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Don't forget one of the most iconic SNL sketches where William Shatner told Trekkies to get a life. Keep in mind, this was in December 1986, almost a decade before fandoms really took off thanks to the internet becoming more accessible.
LORD IMPERATOR said:
Can you just imagine a crossover between G Gundam and Star Trek?
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Not exactly what you were looking for, but there was a crossover between Star Trek and Transformers. At one point, Kirk pilots Fortress Maximus, which takes on the form of a copy of the Enterprise, and transforms into Fortress Tiberius.
Intelligent Calcium said:
Isn't the reason the writers made Dukat become a literal demon because they thought they made him too sympathetic and wanted to backpedal? I maintain that he should have died in that cult episode, would have been the perfect end for his character.
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I honestly never really saw Dukat as a villain in the earlier seasons of DS9. To me, he came across more like a smug asshole who occasionally popped in to annoy Sisko's crew.

But yeah, the Space Satan stuff was easily the worst part of the final arc of that show.
 
I like the parallels to Dukat and Gundam's Char Aznable going from Tweener Heel to Tweener Face to Full On Shitheel
also regarding Trek games I played the fuck out of the Ti-99/4A version of Star Trek, shit was dank af
 
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