Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

[Antarctic Hellbeast]

The Perfect Strangers theme song fits Star Trek better than the ENT "HURR FAITH" theme song.
I can get the cheesy appeal of the ENT theme song (And say what you want, the visuals of the ENT intro are glorious), but it just doesn't fit the tone of ST at all in my eyes and I always felt like it was a rather weird attempt to appeal to normies. The song always made me feel like ENT is ashamed to be ST. Well... that was my attitude back in the day. Now that I know what Star Trek shows actually look like when they are visibly repulsed by being Star Trek, that view has softened quite a bit.

Isn't that a fun thing for literally every IP out there?
Some installment of an IP 10 to 20 years ago is seen as the absolute lowpoint of the franchise, then someone makes a modern remake or sequel and suddenly people learn to appreciate what the former lowpoint tried to do. The old, bad thing is still not beloved, but people understand that it had its heart in the right place. A failed attempt to make something, but at least there was an attempt to make something. Nowadays, we can count ourselves lucky if the new installment is just a boring rehash - but most often, it's actually actively undoing the franchise with post-modern hottakes to character-assassinate the originals.

Star Wars had those atrocious and generally panned prequels. People thought it couldn't get any worse, now people acknowledge that the prequels were mostly bogged down with bad decisions here and there, but there's still a few good aspects to it and it genuinely attempted to do something to expand the trilogy, rather than copy-pasting or outright ruining it.
Star Trek had ENT, a show that was rather lackluster, but people nowadays appreciate what they tried to do. It's just that the show had a few bad decisions and it never truly applied the (genuinely cool) setting to its fullest.
Predator, Alien, Ghostbusters, the list goes on...

These days its more of a political attempt to re-write history. So when you try to talk with people about stuff from 10-20 years ago, they think its something infested with troons and mediocre at best like JJ's fanfiction of ST and SW.

If it wasnt JJ it wouldve been something else. Honestly these IP's need to go by LAW, the way of Half life where Black Mesa is a source engine overhaul from scratch remake of the original HL that Valve wasnt ever going to care enough to do themselves and is a COMMERCIAL product the fans can earn money from with valve taking a cut. not this "im going to hold a monopoly on culturally important IP's because I want to push an agenda" crap that Disney infamously pulls.)

I get defending your IP but the way CBS has been treating its fans over the last decade should be outright criminalized. Its not some retard making a shitty chinese bootleg. Its genuinely talented people making something great like Stage 9. (who they wont hire because theyre not fucking troons or SJW indoctrinated reaper drones pushing their bullshit on the plebs. Mass effect 3 was warning us about the incoming troon epidemic back then with "reaper indoctrination" where you cant save someone who was taken over mentally besides the occasional strong spirit.)

 

[Miller]

Its genuinely talented people making something great like Stage 9. (who they wont hire because theyre not fucking troons or SJW indoctrinated reaper drones pushing their bullshit on the plebs.

Seth MacFarlane was so impressed by their work that he gave them carte blanche to do the equivalent for The Orville. They got access to the floor plans of each set, artworks etc. so they could make the most accurate 3D experience.

 

[Antarctic Hellbeast]

Seth MacFarlane was so impressed by their work that he gave them carte blanche to do the equivalent for The Orville. They got access to the floor plans of each set, artworks etc. so they could make the most accurate 3D experience.

Seth is not CBS or a generic big media outlet like Disney. He's an Independent film maker albeit a very successful one.

Would like to see proof.

 

[Miller]

Seth is not CBS or a generic big media outlet like Disney. He's an Independent film maker albeit a very successful one.

Would like to see proof.

After the Stage 9 devs got a C&D from Viacom/CBS they started to work on a 3D interactive experience of the Orville.
Unlike Viacom/CBS, he knows how important a fanbase is to an IP.

You will have to trust me for those screenshots, I didn't archive them at the time.

 

[Antarctic Hellbeast]

After the Stage 9 devs got a C&D from Viacom/CBS they started to work on a 3D interactive experience of the Orville.
Unlike Viacom/CBS, he knows how important a fanbase is to an IP.

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You will have to trust me for those screenshots, I didn't archive them at the time.

Well he also is the guy who made family guy among other great IP's and never alienated his audience even 10+ years later and took what he learned from that and applied it to his other IP's. Good on him for actually trying to keep something decent going.

I remember seeing that on the steam store but it was some limited time only thing or some bullshit so I didn't download it.

 

[ProfDongs]

I know everything that could be said of NuTrek has been but I saw a clip of Picard that rubbed my autism.

Riker gives the order for "Weapons hot, deflectors to full" which may be a dumb thing to be focused on but I am.

Why would Riker ever refer to the Deflector Shields as just "Deflectors" when in his entire career every time we've seen him give orders for the Deflector Shields it has always been "Shields", and the Deflector Array has always been that or just the "Deflector". They both serve a completely different purpose, the distinction between the two is perfect in the names alone, and almost the entirety franchise has used these for clarity of orders for the crew and the audience. Hell, I'm pretty sure they've been called "Screens" more times than they have been called Deflector Shields.

I'm aware its not people who have a love for the franchise or familiarity with it that work on this stuff and that the show is bad, but it just seems like the smallest, simplest thing to get right. It makes sense why its like that because the writers didn't have to think of the consistency for what's going on on the bridge and Deflectors sounds cooler than Shields. If they were consistent then the bridge would be a confusing nightmare mess after 2 minutes because when you have to move around the battlespace and adjust the Deflector Array for debris and call out "adjust the deflector for a wider field coverage". What would the takeaway be from that order be?

Very autistic I know, but that second of audio really got my brain going.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

The reason Mike Stoforgothisname wasn't very fomd of the Dominion war is because he thinks that the plot doesn't go well with Star Trek and he's not completely wrong. Star Trek is about exploration, but I guess it's a concession we can give as it's an spinoff about a space station. You can't explore the galaxy from a parked location.

The tycoon from "The Neutral Zone" is a better lie detector than Troi. Makes me chuckle.
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Remember the episode when she lost her powers in "The Loss"? Guinan was trying to do some reverse psychology on her, and Dianna said something like how her work it's not just listen, but you need to train to be a psychologist to deal with patients.

She was correct.

Her former patient was a woman who lost her husband, and she told Dianna she was over it and was fine. Dianna naturally told her what any trained therapist would say: "I think you're lying" and still in denial". And she was right again. The woman even insisted she was fine and I think she even blamed it on Troi not having powers. And Dianna believed her. It took that same patient coming back to tell her she was right, that she wasn't over her hubs' death for Troi to regain some confidence.

She is much better at her job that the plot allows her to be.

 

[naaaaiiiiillllll!!!]

Don't know where else to share this, but the guy who made the "Star Trek: Acid Party" just came out with a new video:

It's not a "haha funny" video, but it has a mood and a e s t h e t i c. This is the Captain Picard we need now.

 

[Stoneheart]

Why would Riker ever refer to the Deflector Shields as just "Deflectors" when in his entire career every time we've seen him give orders for the Deflector Shields it has always been "Shields", and the Deflector Array has always been that or just the "Deflector". They both serve a completely different purpose, the distinction between the two is perfect in the names alone, and almost the entirety franchise has used these for clarity of orders for the crew and the audience. Hell, I'm pretty sure they've been called "Screens" more times than they have been called Deflector Shields.

Well STDs that harm the brain? I never heared Riker talk about Safer Sex with some freaky aliens...

 

[Miller]

Well he also is the guy who made family guy among other great IP's and never alienated his audience even 10+ years later and took what he learned from that and applied it to his other IP's. Good on him for actually trying to keep something decent going.

Yeah and before he created The Orville for FOX he went to CBS to pitch them a concept for a new Star Trek spin-off. They pretty much laughed at his face as they signed a deal with Kurtzman/Secret Hideout who ended up creating STD 2 years later.

The reason Mike Stoforgothisname wasn't very fomd of the Dominion war is because he thinks that the plot doesn't go well with Star Trek and he's not completely wrong. Star Trek is about exploration, but I guess it's a concession we can give as it's an spinoff about a space station. You can't explore the galaxy from a parked location.

DS9 is an exploration of the Federation and its values.

Very autistic I know

It's not, you're just using the rules of the Star Trek universe that have been respected throughout the Roddenberry-Berman era. Kurtzman and his "writers" have no idea of what those words mean.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

Why would Riker ever refer to the Deflector Shields as just "Deflectors" when in his entire career every time we've seen him give orders for the Deflector Shields it has always been "Shields", and the Deflector Array has always been that or just the "Deflector". They both serve a completely different purpose, the distinction between the two is perfect in the names alone, and almost the entirety franchise has used these for clarity of orders for the crew and the audience. Hell, I'm pretty sure they've been called "Screens" more times than they have been called Deflector Shields.

Tactical officer: "Enemies at starboard, charging their weapons!"
Riker: "Deflectors to full power!"
[Outside shot of Enterprise shows deflector dish starting to glow brighter]
Tactical officer: "Torpedo incoming, impact in 3 seconds... want me to raise shields, Captain?"
Riker: "Raise shie- wait... didn't I just tell you t- FUCK"

 

[ditto]

You can't explore the galaxy from a parked location.

Cytherian has entered the chat

 

[Intelligent Calcium]

I know everything that could be said of NuTrek has been but I saw a clip of Picard that rubbed my autism.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=EArdkwUyWa0:102Riker gives the order for "Weapons hot, deflectors to full" which may be a dumb thing to be focused on but I am.

Why would Riker ever refer to the Deflector Shields as just "Deflectors" when in his entire career every time we've seen him give orders for the Deflector Shields it has always been "Shields", and the Deflector Array has always been that or just the "Deflector". They both serve a completely different purpose, the distinction between the two is perfect in the names alone, and almost the entirety franchise has used these for clarity of orders for the crew and the audience. Hell, I'm pretty sure they've been called "Screens" more times than they have been called Deflector Shields.

I'm aware its not people who have a love for the franchise or familiarity with it that work on this stuff and that the show is bad, but it just seems like the smallest, simplest thing to get right. It makes sense why its like that because the writers didn't have to think of the consistency for what's going on on the bridge and Deflectors sounds cooler than Shields. If they were consistent then the bridge would be a confusing nightmare mess after 2 minutes because when you have to move around the battlespace and adjust the Deflector Array for debris and call out "adjust the deflector for a wider field coverage". What would the takeaway be from that order be?

Very autistic I know, but that second of audio really got my brain going.

Maybe he thought the enemy was packing lasers.

 

[L50LasPak]

Why would Riker ever refer to the Deflector Shields as just "Deflectors" when in his entire career every time we've seen him give orders for the Deflector Shields it has always been "Shields", and the Deflector Array has always been that or just the "Deflector". They both serve a completely different purpose, the distinction between the two is perfect in the names alone, and almost the entirety franchise has used these for clarity of orders for the crew and the audience. Hell, I'm pretty sure they've been called "Screens" more times than they have been called Deflector Shields.

This is really autistic. There are countless times they're referred to as "deflectors" in TNG, and even as early as The Motion Picture the term Deflectors is used as a shorthand for shields. TMP is a bit weird in this regard though, they also refer to "screens", sometimes even in the same scene, and the term forcefields is also used to refer to the shields. In TOS just about anything goes and its all over the map.

NuTrek has a ton of stuff wrong with it, but this isn't part of it. I agree that people wouldn't be nitpicking it so hard if they actually enjoyed it, but this kind of stuff just makes people who dislike nuTrek look stupid and overly focused on trivial details.

 

[Antarctic Hellbeast]

This is really autistic. There are countless times they're referred to as "deflectors" in TNG, and even as early as The Motion Picture the term Deflectors is used as a shorthand for shields. TMP is a bit weird in this regard though, they also refer to "screens", sometimes even in the same scene, and the term forcefields is also used to refer to the shields. In TOS just about anything goes and its all over the map.

NuTrek has a ton of stuff wrong with it, but this isn't part of it. I agree that people wouldn't be nitpicking it so hard if they actually enjoyed it, but this kind of stuff just makes people who dislike nuTrek look stupid and overly focused on trivial details.

Typically its the purposely ugly ship designs and psychological warfare through the TV screen with the "holier than thou/I'm better than you cause im a nigger" bullshit are why most people are apathetic to Nu Trek even if they cant quite put it words.

It is really autistic to get riled up over synonyms of the same damn thing.

 

[Dr. Sexbot]

 

[Captain Syrup]

Unlike Viacom/CBS, he knows how important a fanbase is to an IP.

They're as bad as CW in that regard. They clearly can't make heads or tails of it, and would be airing cookie-cutter "counter-terrorist" crap. Stuff that reassures the boomers who make up the CBS audience. Even a vampire detective (Forever Knight) was a bridge too far for them.

 

[ditto]

Typically its the purposely ugly ship designs and psychological warfare through the TV screen with the "holier than thou/I'm better than you cause im a nigger" bullshit are why most people are apathetic to Nu Trek even if they cant quite put it words.

You might not notice it, but your brain does..

 

[ZMOT]

However, the thing about the series that has really stayed with me is that damn theme song!

Its amazing, but when I first popped it on, I was like "The fuck is this?!" and then with each time I listened to it, I found myself getting swept up in the song, to the point that I'd get pissed at the Netflix "Skip Intro" button. Fuck you! I'm listening to this song!

I told you bro!

Worst theme song of the franchise that belongs in the ending credits at best and a 80s music video at worst.

that just means 2 things:
you haven't listened to if often enough
you haven't listened to it loud enough.

also farlane is a legit trek fan, makes sense he understands other fans. same reason orville is more trek than nutrek.

The Perfect Strangers theme song fits Star Trek better than the ENT "HURR FAITH" theme song.
I can get the cheesy appeal of the ENT theme song (And say what you want, the visuals of the ENT intro are glorious), but it just doesn't fit the tone of ST at all in my eyes and I always felt like it was a rather weird attempt to appeal to normies. The song always made me feel like ENT is ashamed to be ST. Well... that was my attitude back in the day. Now that I know what Star Trek shows actually look like when they are visibly repulsed by being Star Trek, that view has softened quite a bit.

ironically, right after "vocals in my star trek theme? this is nothing like star trek reeee" the biggest complaint back then was "ENT IS NOTHING LIKE STAR TREK (meaning TNG/DS9/VOY), REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE".
so basically you had people complaining a series that isn't like ST has a theme that didn't fit ST. which apparently is a problem, somehow.

as I said before the theme never bothered me that much (neither did ENT) because it's a prequel to TOS, heck star fleet didn't even exist at that point. it was much more about the pioneering spirit of exploring the unknown and "getting there", which the theme fits more than some bombastic orchestral score.

the smart thing to do would've been to slowly transition it to orchestral over the course of the series when star fleet gets established later on, instead of the upbeat pop version, but ENT was messy and cut short anyway, so...

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

so basically you had people complaining a series that isn't like ST has a theme that didn't fit ST. which apparently is a problem, somehow.

It's not the problem "somehow", it's exactly and very specifically the problem in this case.

Someone enjoys ST. A new ST show is made and it does not fit in with what said person enjoys about ST or considers befitting of ST. So they don't like it. And one of the aspects making the show not fit their expectations is the theme song, which they also dislike. It's a perfectly valid line of thinking and I don't know what kind of argument you are trying to make against disliking the theme song by saying "Well, the show apparently didn't fit into ST, so emphasizing that by a terrible, unfitting soundtrack should be ok, right?"

Speaking for myself I think ENT fits perfectly well with ST overall, I just think the execution was absolutely lackluster and bad. I do agree with the notion that the theme song doesn't fit ST at all and it's something that very clearly and easily stands out and is thus easy to point out.