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The only uniforms I really dug were the Khan uniforms and the First Contact uniforms. As a kid I loved the classic TOS ones because well, that was my first exposure to Trek, but the Khans are just so martial and awesome looking.
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Why, pray tell, was DS9's uniform change your breaking point? As you said, the uniforms had already changed multiple times by that point, TNG had even randomly changed uniforms midway through. The change in uniforms between TNG and DS9 wasn't even close to the largest change we'd even seen at that point...
Maybe if was just a shock to you. We had never seen two different Trek characters on screen wearing two different uniforms at the same time before, that would make sense...
Except no, wait we had...
Starfleet has *obviously* changed their uniforms multiple times over the years. I just really don't get why that's your hill to die on. As long as they're internally consistent about it, why does it even matter?
Truth be told, the only time that Trek changing uniforms ever bothered me was in Generations, because it didn't even try to be consistent within itself. You had scenes with multiple characters wearing entirely different uniforms on screen at once (and unlike that pic I just posted, they were all serving on the same ship at the same time.) There is literally no good explanation for this, and it makes no sense.
You are however correct, DS9 had different uniforms than TNG from the beginning. But so did Voyager... DS9 even changed them midway through the show (for the better in my opinion.)
DS9 and Voyager both started with the same uniforms... (And to their credit, Voyager episodes even updated the Starfleet uniform in episodes where it made sense to)
But I'm actually perfectly fine with all of this...
May I ask, why aren't you?
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Dude, harsh.
But true.
Also regarding the changes of uniform designs:
In the future of Star Trek, the power of the military industrial complex is broken and was replaced by the textile industrial complex.
These clothing companies now push for ever new uniforms in ever shorter timespans, to keep the gravy train running for their monopoly on Nylon jumpsuits.
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Ever wonder if the reason TOS uniforms got sexy was because the Feds were sick of boring (but sensible) sweaters and jumpsuits?
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There were supposed to be new uniforms for Generations but they looked crap on camera so they ended up using whatever they could scrounge from existing wardrobe. I think Frakes ended up wearing Avery Brooks' DS9 uniform, which is why the sleeves are too short and shoulders too wide.
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It's always weird when you have these multi million dollar productions but they can't shill out a little money to get one of their lead actors a costume that fits. Guess most movie goers didn't notice, so we have to chalk it up as another absolute win for Bob in accounting.
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Starfleet changes their uniforms every ten years or so, even Picard had two new designs introduced in a span of about 17 years.
The 2020 Ships of the Line calender had a crosscut of the Daedalus class (first deployed in the 2140's) in it and it looks like the crew wore ENT style jumpers but with TOS colors.
It's hard to see on this picture though.
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As for Generations: nobody gave a fuck.
The 2020 Ships of the Line calender had a crosscut of the Daedalus class (first deployed in the 2140's) in it and it looks like the crew wore ENT style jumpers but with TOS colors.
It's hard to see on this picture though.
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As for Generations: nobody gave a fuck.
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The PC version ran in Windows 98 too, and there's also a Mac version that runs in up to OS 9.
I looked at screenshots of it. It looks more "cluttered" than MOO2. Still looks interesting.
Also it's published by Hasbro (lol).
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Speaking of shows I'd watch the shit out of, I did enjoy the look of "Relativity". Particularly the updated commbadge.
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These are bad examples. Rachel Garret from a different time period interacting with "modern day" Picard?
Voyager was isolated from the rest of Starfleet and had an older style uniform.
DS9 just said fuck it to continuity. For some unexplained reason, people on this one space station wear different uniforms than the Enterprise-D and the rest of Starfleet. And then Generations kept up the stupidity by using both uniforms at the same time on the Enterprise.
Then they had to change AGAIN in First Contact and this time DS9 had to adopt those same uniforms.
I'm convinced Paramount and Playmates toys just wanted to sell new action figures. So change up the uniforms every two years or so.
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That game has no built-in tutorial. Have fun.
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And they were right because their uniforms were by far the best.
Also Geordi La Forge hosting Jeopardy is actually a really fucking great decision!
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The modern version comes with like 40+ mod packs, though it would be typical of 90s gaming if none of those mods had a single tutorial.
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That was entirely my point though. The starfleet uniform has *clearly* changed many times over the years. It literally changed multiple times over the course of TNG alone. I still don't get why the uniform change from TNG to DS9 was your hill to die on here. At least TNG and DS9 as shows both managed to keep the uniforms internally consistent.
Hell, and I even went back to check this just now, Sisko is wearing a contemporary (for the time) TNG uniform in opening scenes of DS9, and O'Brien is already wearing the original DS9 uniform in the same scene. That even makes some sense in context, O'Brien says he has already been on DS9 for several days at this point, Sisko is just now showing up.
Trek Uniforms *obviously* change in universe, fairly often even. I admittedly don't know why Starfleet wanted a different uniform for their personnel on DS9, but they obviously did. And they at least kept that relatively consistent, until they changed it again...
Except everyone on Voyager also wore those exact same uniforms at more or less exactly the same time. If anything, the fact that Voyager had the same uniforms as DS9 was the weird part. I'm not saying that it isn't odd for a paramilitary organization to change their uniforms so many times over so few years, but DS9 wasn't even close to the first time that Starfleet did this, and it wasn't the last. I'm asking again, why is this your hill to die on?
Sorry I'm setting this out of order, but it made sense to reorder it this way, because I already clearly said why this was stupid. I would have actually agreed that it would make sense for Voyager to keep an "older uniform" even after StarFleet as a whole changed theirs, (as they again have *obviously* done multiple times.) After all, Why would Voyager waste (supposedly limited) replicator energy to change every crew member's uniform when they were many lightyears away from home to begin with?
Except... Voyager's "older style uniform" was literally just DS9's original uniform, the one that you're saying said "fuck it" to continuity. Voyager never even changed their uniform over the course of the show, (that's the reason why the Doctor had the original DS9/Voyager uniform in the same episode where Andy Dick had the second DS9/later TNG Film uniform.) It's the reason why Voyager mostly kept that uniform, except for a few later time travel shenanigans. And I'm ok with that.
DS9 changed their uniforms *once*, and it was as you say, to fit in with the change in First Contact.
Not 'again', *ONCE*. I will freely admit, I don't know why they changed the uniform between TNG and DS9, but that is no more a negative towards DS9 than it was towards TNG when it had different uniforms than TOS did. This is a ridiculous hill to die on.
How many times did TNG change their uniforms, for no reason even? it was more than once.
And I don't care what you say- In DS9's case, it was a change for the better. I'm no war master, but maybe when you're in the middle of a dangerous war, it makes sense to have everyone in your paramilitary organization wear the same uniforms. I would even agree with you if you said that it was stupid that Starfleet wasn't *already* doing this in the first place... but however you want to spin it, they weren't. Starfleet was kind of stupid in TNG times when you look at it objectively/pragmatically...
Yes, and? Even if that's true (and there may even be some truth to it,) I still don't get where you're coming from.
Even if you disagree with me, one film which has multiple actors in the very same scene wearing multiple random costumes that don't at all look right together is clearly worse than 2 entirely different shows having different costume designs, right?
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Isn't that also supposed to be a visual aid for the audience to show that Sisko is the new guy arriving at the frontier, like in the wild west?Hell, and I even went back to check this just now, Sisko is wearing a contemporary (for the time) TNG uniform in opening scenes of DS9, and O'Brien is already wearing the original DS9 uniform in the same scene. That even makes some sense in context, O'Brien says he has already been on DS9 for several days at this point, Sisko is just now showing up.
Trek Uniforms *obviously* change in universe, fairly often even. I admittedly don't know why Starfleet wanted a different uniform for their personnel on DS9, but they obviously did. And they at least kept that relatively consistent, until they changed it again...
I never had issues with the uniforms on DS9, I thought they were coherent, they changed during the Dominion War as the Federation and Starfleet were starting to get their ideals challenged.
I have a problem with TNG though, in the final season Picard started to wear a jacket.