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RomanesEuntDomus said:
And the way how Scotty looked was to my knowledge never made any kind of statement about something as toxic and idiotic as "health at all sizes".

STD cast a slightly chubby chick in a certain role and her inability to not stuff candy-apples dipped in lard down her bovine maw and guzzle it down with a healthy galon of pure corn syrup lead to her ballooning to gargantuan sizes. Unfortunately, STD has drank the kool-aid (or at least pretends to) and thus they can't tell her to stop gorging herself on this shit and instead have to dump messages about how there's health at all sizes, as they watch one of their main characters turning slowly into some lovecraftian kronenberg body horror blob of grease.
Just imagine how this chick must be wheezing for minutes whenever they have her jog a few meters for an action shot. Just imagine the smell.
The people subjugated to this horror thankfully are the ones pushing this bullshit... well them and the innocent stagehands.
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I wouldn't even mind Tily as much if they wouldn't pass off bullshit like her winning a marathon. Not completing - winning. WINNING.

It's like Burnham winning hand to hand with Vulcans who canonically have enough strength to just do this to her:
(Especially considering the actress has got to weigh 90 lbs soaking wet.)

It's like the show is an entire propaganda film for being able to do literally anything if you got enough moxie.
 
I'm fine with Scotty's weight gain because he was an older man, plus his wealth of knowledge and experience made him an invaluable asset to the crew. On top of that, Doohan was an actual military veteran who actually fought in actual wars.

A person of Tilly's age and experience should be in peak physical condition in order to handle the rigors of military life. If the US Army was handed a recruit like Tilly, they'd plug a sausage-stuffing machine up her ass and set it on reverse until she was no longer bursting out of her size-26 flightsuit.
 
Flexo said:
It's like Burnham winning hand to hand with Vulcans
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Tilly I cannot stand for a multitude of reasons.

Mikey Spock. Hey, remember when he had a half brother in Star Trek V, and nobody ever mentions that movie? Except to mock it and exhort how cheesy it is?
It's like the show is an entire propaganda film for being able to do literally anything if you got enough moxie.
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It's actually stupider than that. Tilly is an audience insert character: on the bottom rung mentally, emotionally, physically, and socially.

Bravo, Mr. Kurtzman, that's very thorough. F*ck yourself in the ass with your stupid time crystals.
 
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Flexo said:
It's like Burnham winning hand to hand with Vulcans who canonically have enough strength to just do this to her
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Did you mean Klingons (or Kl*ngons, as we are talking about Discovery)?
I have managed to suffer through the first season of Discovery and tried to discuss that unbelievable fight from the pilot episode with some people and got quite an interesting answer: "if you think body mass counts in hand-to-hand combat in Star Trek, you are a faggot who haven't really watched Star Trek". And yeah, Dax or Kira can fight and win in melee combat against Klingons. But on the other hand Discovery is trying to sell you (and failing at) a gritty sci-fi where people die horribly, intelligent humanoids are being consumed and at least one scene has visible intestines of butchered Kl*ngons, so a thin woman winning against muscular brutes looks very jarring to me in this setting.
 
horni said:
Did you mean Klingons (or Kl*ngons, as we are talking about Discovery)?
I have managed to suffer through the first season of Discovery and tried to discuss that unbelievable fight from the pilot episode with some people and got quite an interesting answer: "if you think body mass counts in hand-to-hand combat in Star Trek, you are a faggot who haven't really watched Star Trek". And yeah, Dax or Kira can fight and win in melee combat against Klingons. But on the other hand Discovery is trying to sell you (and failing at) a gritty sci-fi where people die horribly, intelligent humanoids are being consumed and at least one scene has visible intestines of butchered Kl*ngons, so a thin woman winning against muscular brutes looks very jarring to me in this setting.
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No, he means Vulcans, which are supposed to be cannonically stronger than humans due to their harsh planet and it's high gravity.
 
Preferred Penne said:
A person of Tilly's age and experience should be in peak physical condition in order to handle the rigors of military life. If the US Army was handed a recruit like Tilly, they'd plug a sausage-stuffing machine up her ass and set it on reverse until she was no longer bursting out of her size-26 flightsuit.
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I mentioned in another post before. There is no reason for Tilly to be fat because "fat" doesn't exist in their time, for someone her age. They have or are on the way to cure most diseases, so nothing that can make you this big would be a problem anymore. The only reason for her to be big is food and I think food isn't as available in starships during that time as it's in TNG.

Funny how this is the pic they use to represent food synthesizers in MA:

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I don't even know what it is with this person, maybe it's the fact that she pissed me off with ther vapid yapping from the first moment I saw her or the way how she looks or what... but she disgusts me on every level imaginable.
 
Preferred Penne said:
I'm fine with Scotty's weight gain because he was an older man, plus his wealth of knowledge and experience made him an invaluable asset to the crew. On top of that, Doohan was an actual military veteran who actually fought in actual wars.

A person of Tilly's age and experience should be in peak physical condition in order to handle the rigors of military life. If the US Army was handed a recruit like Tilly, they'd plug a sausage-stuffing machine up her ass and set it on reverse until she was no longer bursting out of her size-26 flightsuit.
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Scotty reminds me of a Senior or Master Chief who's towards the end of his career, and gives no fucks for PT but knows how to get shit done, so the higher ups cut him some slack.
 
The more I watch DS9 the more the prophets annoy the shit out of me.
They don't understand linear time, yet hatched a plot involving creating Sisko to destroy the Pah Wraiths that would have required them to understand linear time due to the fact that The Sisko would take 18 years just to stop being a snot covered brat, several more to become a Starfleet officer, several more to take command of DS9, etc...

Seriously, I hate it. If you took the prophets out of DS9 the overall story of the Dominion war wouldn't change. The only good episode I can remember with them was when they turned Grand Nagus Zek into a softie. Outside of that nearly every appearance they make is just annoying.
 
horni said:
Sorry - I could not remember Burnham fighting Vulcans. Normally I would ask when did this happen, but I won't risk someone reminding me more scenes from Discovery.
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Yeah, I'm trying to find the citation. Don't know if it was on screen but I believe it was a one-off mention. Will keep looking so you don't have to suffer.
 
ExceptionallyExceptional said:
The more I watch DS9 the more the prophets annoy the shit out of me.
They don't understand linear time, yet hatched a plot involving creating Sisko to destroy the Pah Wraiths that would have required them to understand linear time due to the fact that The Sisko would take 18 years just to stop being a snot covered brat, several more to become a Starfleet officer, several more to take command of DS9, etc...

Seriously, I hate it. If you took the prophets out of DS9 the overall story of the Dominion war wouldn't change. The only good episode I can remember with them was when they turned Grand Nagus Zek into a softie. Outside of that nearly every appearance they make is just annoying.
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Bajor's religious conflict was my least favorite story arch in that show over all. I couldn't bring myself to care about space popes squabbling like that. Kai Winn was very well made as a detestable character, but when none of the "good" Bajorans are particularly likeable either it just becomes frustrating.
 
ExceptionallyExceptional said:
The more I watch DS9 the more the prophets annoy the shit out of me.
They don't understand linear time, yet hatched a plot involving creating Sisko to destroy the Pah Wraiths that would have required them to understand linear time due to the fact that The Sisko would take 18 years just to stop being a snot covered brat, several more to become a Starfleet officer, several more to take command of DS9, etc...

Seriously, I hate it. If you took the prophets out of DS9 the overall story of the Dominion war wouldn't change. The only good episode I can remember with them was when they turned Grand Nagus Zek into a softie. Outside of that nearly every appearance they make is just annoying.
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Did you forget the episode where the prophets delete the entirety of the Dominions' reinforcements because Sisko asked them to?

As for the whole Sisko plot you mentioned, it's written into the show pretty late and is obviously not what the plot was meant to be much like what happened with Dukat.
 
Quintex96 said:
Did you forget the episode where the prophets delete the entirety of the Dominions' reinforcements because Sisko asked them to?
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I always found it funny as fuck that a human being becomes the most important figure in the Bajoran religion.

Cardassians invade Bajor and genocide 50 million Bajorans? Ignore them completely, even when they use the remaining orbs to beg for help.

A human asks the prophets to yeet a fleet? No problem!

Even their own gods reinforce how crap the Bajorans are. I tend to think the Prophets view them as little more than retarded pets.
 
ExceptionallyExceptional said:
A human asks the prophets to yeet a fleet? No problem!
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Well to be fair Sisko was in the Prophets living room with his pimp hand ready to strike down the fleet on his own.

Then they're all like "WTF dude? Don't get yourself killed."
And he's all, "Look someone gotta stop these ships. If you not gonna, I'm gonna."
Then the Prophets are all: "Fine, we can't have our black guy getting killed. They'll call us racist."
 
My guess is, they didn't step in during the occupation because they saw the future as well as the past, so they knew the Bajorans would revolt. That way, the Prophets wouldn't reveal the wormhole to the Cardassians.
 
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JamesFargo said:
It was a mistake to write the Prophets this way. It makes them seem oblivious.

They clearly ARE aware of linear time, My guess is, they didn't step in during the occupation because they saw the future as well as the past, so they knew the Bajorans would revolt. That way, the Prophets wouldn't reveal the wormhole to the Cardassians.

The Prophets are allergic to linear time ("The Assignment"), which is a different thing.
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I never got the impression that they were "allergic" to linear time, merely that they didn't understand it since they existed at all possible moments.
Except, wouldn't that give them a BETTER understanding of linear time than ours, not worse?

I think the Prophets were just badly written, tbh.
 
JamesFargo said:
It was a mistake to write the Prophets this way. It makes them seem oblivious.

They clearly ARE aware of linear time, My guess is, they didn't step in during the occupation because they saw the future as well as the past, so they knew the Bajorans would revolt. That way, the Prophets wouldn't reveal the wormhole to the Cardassians.

The Prophets are allergic to linear time ("The Assignment"), which is a different thing.
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Much like the Borg and El-Aurians, they were watered down from being something more high concept because it's hard to keep writing that in a serialized format. It's almost inevitable they turn into more conventional space opera races with every appearance.
 
ExceptionallyExceptional said:
The more I watch DS9 the more the prophets annoy the shit out of me.
They don't understand linear time, yet hatched a plot involving creating Sisko to destroy the Pah Wraiths that would have required them to understand linear time due to the fact that The Sisko would take 18 years just to stop being a snot covered brat, several more to become a Starfleet officer, several more to take command of DS9, etc...

Seriously, I hate it. If you took the prophets out of DS9 the overall story of the Dominion war wouldn't change. The only good episode I can remember with them was when they turned Grand Nagus Zek into a softie. Outside of that nearly every appearance they make is just annoying.
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iirc the one with Zek grew out of an unused concept for an ep of Taxi, where the guy who taught Louie how to be a scumbag would visit but now he was all nice
 
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