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JamesFargo said:
What you are now witnessing is the jerry-rigging of its marionette corpse à la Weekend at Bernie's.
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At least they could have handled Lower Decks properly, but from what I saw it's really hateful against what made Star Trek, Star Trek.

I just don't get how the fuck, can anybody mess up a relatively simple concept as Star Trek when they had 3 shows and 2-3 movies to play with. I just don't get it.
 
Quintex96 said:
Remember that time Harry Kim was sad that his alien resurrected girlfriend left him and to cheer himself up he gives her hairbrush to a Borg child and then takes her to the Holodeck?
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I ended up liking the Borg kids. Marley had more screen presence than Scarlett Polmers. (Down to her comically large ears?)

Naomi can talk all she wants about how she'll "be Captain one day"; I hope she gets blown to space dust along with Red Squad.
 
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BlamoPlasmo said:
At least they could have handled Lower Decks properly, but from what I saw it's really hateful against what made Star Trek, Star Trek.
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I've thought about this a bit since I made the questionable choice of watching all of Lower Decks, and I think the best way to sum it up is if you made Galaxy Quest today. It would be disjointed, have too many writers, be cluttered with extraneous meme humor, have unlikeable main characters and would be constantly switching between reference overloads and attempts at humor that fall flat.

There are occasionally jokes in the show that landed well enough that they caught me off guard. To name a perfect example, there's a episode where Rutherford, an engineer, feels he should try something new and transfers to security. Which he excels at, but it doesn't satisfy him and he decides it would be best to transfer back to engineering, but he worries about telling his superiors and fellow security personnel about it because he doesn't want to disappoint them.

The twist is, when he finally does break the news, the chief of security and the other officers are totally fine with it and supportive of his decision. Its an example of a good Trek joke because, while its unrealistic, it lives up to that idea of the TNG era being this warm and fuzzy environment where everybody is friendly and there's little to no interpersonal conflict. It also criticizes how out of place and unrealistic that scenario is, without being dismissive or harsh of it.

Trouble is for every one joke like that there are probably 12 or more that are aggressively stupid, meme humor, or just jokes that try the audience's patience. Like with Mariner's character; its clear by the end of the show that the viewer is not supposed to find her endearing or awesome, and her insanely selfish personality being overplayed is supposed to be the joke. But its not actually funny, its irritating to the vast majority of people, and the satsifcation when she finally gets put in her place at the end just isn't enough to make up for having to sit through it.

The show is surprisingly not very woke, at least not compared to a lot of shit I've seen. Its worst problem by far is how unlikeable its two leads are, and how much time of the show is wasted on shitty meme humor. Probably a quarter to a third of each episode is meme garbage, which is just inexcusable given how short the episodes are. It would almost be better if the show was more woke so the viewer didn't have to suffer through a bunch of unfunny memes.

I'll probably watch at least the start of season two when it comes out (for free of course) just because I'm curious to see if the writers will undo the few good choices they made for the final two episodes. i'm used to every recent show having a first season that show promise (very relatively speaking in this case) and then having a second season that just tosses that out the window. Lower Decks is already not very good, so if the second season fucks it up I bet CBS will legit pull the plug on this show.
 
Harry Kim episodes were really weird: remember the one where he left voyager to be part of a stud farm to only find out the sexy space women were in fact succubi who would suck all your dna in one go? His friend at the farm got a blowjob and was turned into a mummy.
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SteelPlatedHeart said:
Remember the time Harry Kim got fake-cucked by Neelix to avoid getting fucked by a Klingon woman?
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I don't want to brush over what @SteelPlatedHeart just said: Harry Kim got cockblocked by Neelix.

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This is actually in-character for Neelix: he is known to be something of a Klingon fetishist. Wardrobe department did a good job with the Klingon slut, as well.
Potatoherder said:
Harry Kim episodes were really weird: remember the one where he left voyager to be part of a stud farm to only find out the sexy space women were in fact succubi who would suck all your dna in one go?
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Harry Kim blew a chance to show Seven his little Harry Kim.

One of the Deleney Twins left herself wide open, and he passed up a chance to score with her, too.

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It's lazy writing dressed up as a joke but doesn't make sense. (ohohohoho Harry keeps falling for the wrong girl!)

I remember being so pissed at Harry that I couldn't see straight. A dozen women are thirsty for Harry and he treats it like the biggest imposition in the world.
 
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JamesFargo said:
I don't want to brush over what SteelPlatedHeart just said: Harry Kim got cockblocked by Neelix.

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I remember being so pissed at Harry that I couldn't see straight. Oddly enough, this is in-character for Neelix, who is something of a Klingon fetishist. (Throwing that Klingon-themed party in "Barge of the Dead", having surgery done to look Klingon in "The Killing Game", and so on.) Wardrobe department did a good job with the Klingon slut, as well.


Harry Kim blew a chance to show Seven of Nine his little Harry Kim. One of the Deleney Twins left herself wide open, and he passed up a chance to score with her, too.

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It's lazy writing dressed up as a joke but doesn't make sense. (ohohohoho Harry keeps falling for the wrong girl!)

That whole era of Trek is mystifying. There's a sense that Berman is always glowering and holding a wet blanket, as well as suspicious lack of consensual sex between humans. Half a dozen women are thirsty for Harry and he treats it like the biggest imposition in the world.
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Now you know why sfdebris has a long running "because dammit, there's nothing gay about it" joke with Ensign Kim.
 
JamesFargo said:
Half a dozen women are thirsty for Harry and he treats it like the biggest imposition in the world.
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It made a little bit of sense early on since Harry was the eternal optimist they were going to get home and had a hot girlfriend waiting for him, but I don't remember if they ever followed up on what her deal was after they re-established contact with Earth.
 
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