Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

[L50LasPak]

It's not the revenge story, it's all the little things on top of it. Like the emotionless, highly popular second character of the show sacrificing themself to save the day. Or that both had a doomsday weapon which had been invented for just that movie.

I'm a bit jaded on the idea for sure since like, every movie plot now is "bad guys hates the heroes and has a doomsday weapon/big bomb that will destroy the city" especially in capeshit, right down to having someone also sacrifice themselves to save the hero/heroes. On the flip side concerning Star Trek exclusively I've seen hideously stupid takes like Commander Kruge from Star Trek 3 being a Khan retread which is just total nonsense no matter how you look at it. Its still a cliche in general to me, but I think people are way too quick to pull the trigger on it when it relates to Star Trek.

 

[Calandrino]

Yes, that's why it's problematic. It's easy to retcon out a few bad sequels, like Superman or Rocky did. Nu Trek took us in a direction we had been flirting with for decades.

It's worth pointing out that Superman 3 and 4 retcon (procon?) Superman Returns out of existence, and not the other way around.

 

[Captain Syrup]

It's worth pointing out that Superman 3 and 4 retcon (procon?) Superman Returns out of existence, and not the other way around.

They did my boy Brandon dirty.

 

[Twitter Hate Mob]

Tom Hardy's performance is excellent though. I have to wonder how the man doesn't go crazy with all of the shittily written roles he keeps getting stuck with. He sells the character pretty well.

He literally became a crack addict after Nemesis and in his own words, "I was lucky I didn’t get hepatitis or AIDS" before he went to rehab and got clean.

 

[UnKillFill]

It's worth pointing out that Superman 3 and 4 retcon (procon?) Superman Returns out of existence, and not the other way around.

I'm gonna call bullshit on that.
Yes, it is true that "Superman Returns" was a terrible fucking movie. But "Superman 3, and also Superman 4," were both somehow even worse. "Superman Returns" was actually *correct* to ignore both of them in the first place. It just failed to make itself be be a better movie in its own right.

 

[White Devil]

I liked Brandon Routh as Superman. I did not like Superman Returns.

Just like I liked Ben Affleck as Batman but I didn't like either of the movies he was in as Batman.

 

[Starscreams Cape]

I liked Brandon Routh as Superman. I did not like Superman Returns.

Just like I liked Ben Affleck as Batman but I didn't like either of the movies he was in as Batman.

Am I imagining things, or was Superman reduced to a Peeping Tom at one point in "Superman Returns"? I only saw it once in the theater and then never again.

 

[Cpl. Long Dong Silver]

Star Trek may be navel gazing but that fat bitch on Discovery certainly can't do that

 

[Captain Syrup]

I liked Brandon Routh as Superman. I did not like Superman Returns.

Here's Brandon with a cat to brighten up your day.

Star Trek may be navel gazing but that fat bitch on Discovery certainly can't do that

Was the Tilly character intended to promote body acceptance? Because nobody is accepting

And bumping an ensign to XO is just ludicrous. How about the showrunners basically pulling a 'Trump' and putting Michael/Tilly in high-level positions when they have no qualifications at all?

Tilly remaining No. 1 for any length of time is so egregious that they shouldn't even pretend to resemble Starfleet.

 

[Tookie]

Then at the end, "he's going to use the super weapon to hit earth!" Why? He's not going to use it on Romulus? You know the place that's filled with the people who abused him??

That could have at least been a bit more interesting since Picard would have to wrestle with how involved he wants to get on the Romulans' behalf (considering they are assholes and possibly having him disobey orders from Starfleet) and how much responsibility he bears to intervene with his clone.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

That could have at least been a bit more interesting since Picard would have to wrestle with how involved he wants to get on the Romulans' behalf (considering they are assholes and possibly having him disobey orders from Starfleet) and how much responsibility he bears to intervene with his clone.

It at least wouldn't be "the target is Earth" cliche. Still a cliche to use a super laser on a planet, but it wouldn't be on the nose.

 

[DavidS877]

Was the Tilly character intended to promote body acceptance? Because nobody is accepting

That's not very nice, as you know everyone says the camera adds 150lbs.

 

[Tookie]

It at least wouldn't be "the target is Earth" cliche. Still a cliche to use a super laser on a planet, but it wouldn't be on the nose.

Honestly, you could drop the superlaser in that scenario and just have him doing standard war crimes to the Romulans.

They should have had Sela as the villain though. Shinzon could be a ploy to screw with Picard's head like when the Ferengi created his son.

 

[Starscreams Cape]

That could have at least been a bit more interesting since Picard would have to wrestle with how involved he wants to get on the Romulans' behalf (considering they are assholes and possibly having him disobey orders from Starfleet) and how much responsibility he bears to intervene with his clone.

It would spiritually be reminiscent of STVI, The Undiscovered Country, with the reticent captain saving his enemy.

 

[Tookie]

It would spiritually be reminiscent of STVI, The Undiscovered Country, with the reticent captain saving his enemy.

Hell, they could have gone the nuanced route and made Shinzon a principled Picard-like ruler who goes overboard pursuing revenge instead of Mr. Mind Rape Laser Man. Just go full-on with the Spartacus ripoff.

 

[Flexo]

That could have at least been a bit more interesting since Picard would have to wrestle with how involved he wants to get on the Romulans' behalf (considering they are assholes and possibly having him disobey orders from Starfleet) and how much responsibility he bears to intervene with his clone.

Exactly. It also bugs me because "destroying earth" isn't really a Romulan thing. Klingon maybe but the Romulans were always more about mind games. I have a hard time believing Shinzon would gain much Romulan support blowing up Earth and the other Romulans turning against him when he tries to strikes me as true to the people.

(Yes I know the Romulans tried to destroy the founders' homeworld but the changelings are a special kind of threat that humans aren't and it was more of a Cardassian idea.)

 

[Exceptionally Exceptional]

Am I the only one who didn't see Section 31 as villains and actually kind of agreed with Sloan?
He told Julian "The Federation needs men like you, Doctor - men of conscience, men of principle, men who can sleep at night. You're also the reason Section 31 exists. Someone has to protect men like you from a universe that doesn't share your sense of right and wrong."

I see nothing wrong here. Good people often lack the ruthlessness required to get their hands dirty. And sometimes you need ruthless bastards watching over them, protecting them from other ruthless bastards who don't have the same scruples they do.

Hell, even the morphogenic virus which was portrayed as sooooo horrible was entirely justified given that we witnessed the aftermath of at least one attempted genocide by the Founders using their own bioweapons, and it's absolutely reasonable to assume that this wasn't the first such genocide they'd commited.

We literally only ever see one changeling that isn't a complete fucking asshole, and that was Odo.

Honestly the more I think about it, the more I recognize Sloan as a hero willing to risk his own life to preserve the Federation.

 

[Captain Syrup]

It also bugs me because "destroying earth" isn't really a Romulan thing. Klingon maybe

Standard Klingon procedure is to invade the planet, execute the ruling council and install an Imperial Overseer.

I can't really say what Romulans would do; each time I watch an episode about them, I pass out from boredom.

 

[Calandrino]

"Superman Returns" was actually *correct* to ignore both of them in the first place.

Not that the world needed Superman 5, but a direct sequel to Superman 2, filmed 25 years later, set 5 years later, with every single character (except Jor-El) recast is one of the more insane ideas for a movie ever funded and had no chance of turning out well, even if it hadn't been a gay pedo rapist's fanfic. The lack of a Richard Pryor cameo merely ranks among the film's lesser crimes.

Also, the CWverse killed off all Superman Returns supporting characters, while the true canon Quest for Peace Reeves Superman is still doing fine in my headcanon.

Am I imagining things, or was Superman reduced to a Peeping Tom at one point in "Superman Returns"? I only saw it once in the theater and then never again.

Sounds like something that would have happened. Bullet points from my upcoming dissertation on gay themes in Superman Returns: Lex Luthor turns gigolo for a senior citizen, Lois has a one-night stand with a dude without knowing his actual name and can't remember it the next day, Lois contemplates abandoning her spouse and child to cavort with a muscular man in tights. Seems like an awful lot for a movie I can barely remember.

That's not very nice, as you know everyone says the camera adds 150lbs.

They must be using too many cameras on her...

 

[UnKillFill]

That reminds me of a joke.
What's the opposite of Christopher Walken? Christopher Reeve.