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JamesFargo said:
Standard Klingon procedure is to invade the planet, execute the ruling council and install an Imperial Overseer.

I can't really say what Romulans would do; each time I watch an episode about them, I pass out from boredom. They aren't even popular with the fandom, last I checked.
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They never really did surpass their initial reveal in "The Balance of Terror", though they approached it in a few instances in TNG. Notably the chronically underrated episode "The Defector".
 
Calandrino said:
Not that the world needed Superman 5, but a direct sequel to Superman 2, filmed 25 years later, set 5 years later, with every single character (except Jor-El) recast is one of the more insane ideas for a movie ever funded
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Parker Posey is kind of floating around in the background. And while I'm not of the belief that Parker is overflowing with talent (she always looks like she's smelled a fart), her resemblance to comic book Lois is uncanny.

Kate Bosworth is retardedly lucky to be friends with Spacey.
Calandrino said:
They must be using too many cameras on her.
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ME: Can we get some smart, busty Jewish girls in here, please?
*monkey's paw curls*
 
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DS9 is my second most binged series after KOTH.
Don't mind TNG, Voyager and Enterprise, maybe I'm getting old but Neelix and Bakula don't annoy me too badly. Only Wesley Crusher and Worfs whiny little shit of a kid "I don't want to be a warrior". Suck it up you bugfaced buttercup.

Was never really a fan of TOS, the movies are mostly shit.

Wish they had done a series on Garak instead of Picard.
 
JamesFargo said:
Section 31 should recruit him. Like the TVA did with Loki. (But with fewer quips.)
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I was thinking something like he returns from exile to lead the Obsidian order and basically genocides a different species each episode.

Tookie said:
They would turn him into a turbo-fag if they did one today.
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Sadly yes, they'd have him as some flaboyant tailor working at some Federation commune making fursuits for starfleet academy students and marrying a POC that cucks him.
 
I don't mind S31 much, but I suppose the bad reaction is due to fans thinking that ST society is perfect, when it's never been implied to be this way, neither in TNG that is the most optimist of the Treks. The same flaws and vices we have now, they have it as well. I mean, Starfleet is very, VERY corrupt and there are many different episodes proving this. The only difference is that their type of economy keeps people from starving despite their bad decisions.

The fact that they still have prisons is evidence enough that bad apples still exist and they need to deal with them. It's not surprise that they have their own "deep state".
 
JamesFargo said:
Standard Klingon procedure is to invade the planet, execute the ruling council and install an Imperial Overseer.

I can't really say what Romulans would do; each time I watch an episode about them, I pass out from boredom. They aren't even popular with the fandom, last I checked.
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Romulans would be what many believed Russiagate was. Or institute CRT together all the federation worlds to devolve into infighting.
Honk Hill said:
Wish they had done a series on Garak instead of Picard.
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So do I if I had any confidence in them NOT screwing it up and probably making it super faggoty.
 
Starscreams Cape said:
Am I imagining things, or was Superman reduced to a Peeping Tom at one point in "Superman Returns"? I only saw it once in the theater and then never again.
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You remember correctly. Superman Returns is one of the most egregious offenders when it comes to something I particularly hate in movies - things being considered because they're done by the main character. I don't mean something as simple as punching another person being okay because the main character is the hero. Probably there is a reason the hero is punching that person. I mean when it's clearly a bad action. This starts early in the movie when Superman is greeted by his old dog who has waited for him all these years and drops his ball for Superman to throw. What does he do? Hurls it into the stratosphere never to be seen again. But that's mild compared to what Superman actually ends up doing. He uses his super-hearing and x-ray vision to spy on Lois and her husband. He takes Lois (now married) flying around the city clearly with romantic interest. It also turns out that Lois is as bad because she has let her husband all these years think the child is his when really it's Superman's kid and she deliberately married this guy right after finding out she was pregnant. The movie ends with Superman letting himself into their house through the skylight to spend time with his son, the parents unaware.

It's not even as if Lois' husband gave her any reason at all to justify their behaviour. Played by James Madsen he's hardly hard to look at. He's successful (a pilot), loving and when the city is being torn apart by an Earthquake and Superman is flying around being a hero, he flies his plane through falling buildings and a storm to rescue Lois and the child she has told him is his son, risking his life numerous times to do so. You almost couldn't make up a husband character who less deserves the way Lois and Superman treat him.

Also, Kevin Spacey is terrible as Lex Luthor.

Hate that film. But like you say, Brandon Routh is great as Superman. He's even better as Clarke Kent.
 
UnKillShredDur said:
I'm gonna call bullshit on that.
Yes, it is true that "Superman Returns" was a terrible fucking movie. But "Superman 3, and also Superman 4," were both somehow even worse. "Superman Returns" was actually *correct* to ignore both of them in the first place. It just failed to make itself be be a better movie in its own right.
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You're crazy, Superman 3 was good.

Richard Pryor's plan to steal money via computer was way ahead of its time. Superman as a mean drunk causing chaos, trolling Italians, then getting into a fist fight with himself in a junkyard was awesome. The part where the evil lady turns into a cyborg monster was terrifying to kids at the time. Also they got ATARI to do the computer graphics, which were amazing for 1983:

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Lana Lang was a better love interest for Supes than Margot Kidder, who already looked like an alcoholic 40-something divorcee by the first movie and whose acting career seems to have been based on blowjobs.

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Napoleon Solo wasn't as good as Gene Hackman, but overall it was a fun Superman movie. If they hadn't made Quest for Peace on a budget of a couple of dollars and half a stick of chewing gum, 3 would probably be remembered as a satisfying conclusion to the Reeve trilogy.
 
The only thing that keeps Section 31 firmly in the "Villain" category is their total lack of accountability to anyone. I'm willing to grant the idea that Sloan is 100% loyal to the Federation and its ideals, I'm even willing to grant that most or even all of Section 31 is just like him. But the fact remains that any kind of drift or change in the agency's mindset has effectively no means of being corrected, and zero oversight from anyone. Starfleet's highest ranking admirals don't even know shit about the organization; they're effectively independent and we only really have their word that they uphold the law and do what needs to be done to save the Federation. Even if they're not corrupt right now, what's there to stop them from becoming corrupt later on?

If their real world counterpart, the CIA, is anything to go by they could all be a bunch of blowhard holier-than-thou patriots who think they're better that everyone else and who get paid way, way too much money on top of the obscene amounts of plunder they collect from blank check black budgets and their drug smuggling operations. Because there's no transparency at all, nobody can even tell if the CIA performs useful functions anymore or if they just all collectively fuck off all day and draw a paycheck. Same deal with Section 31. They seem to have a purpose and they say they care, but do they really? We'll never know.

Never trust the CIA Section 31, they'll fuck you over, piss on your grave and call it patriotism.
 
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Tasty Tatty said:
I don't mind S31 much, but I suppose the bad reaction is due to fans thinking that ST society is perfect, when it's never been implied to be this way, neither in TNG that is the most optimist of the Treks. The same flaws and vices we have now, they have it as well. I mean, Starfleet is very, VERY corrupt and there are many different episodes proving this. The only difference is that their type of economy keeps people from starving despite their bad decisions.

The fact that they still have prisons is evidence enough that bad apples still exist and they need to deal with them. It's not surprise that they have their own "deep state".
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I think the only bad thing with S31 is neutering it into a cartoon bad guy. S31 should be a spook story chiefs tell ensign over holo campfires.

Similar to how the Shadows were early on in B5 a ghost white wale story told by grizzled veterans. If your in the fleet and get involved with S31 you should be terrified.
 
L50LasPak said:
nobody can even tell if the CIA performs useful functions anymore or if they just all collectively fuck off all day and draw a paycheck.
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The CIA was badly politicized. Neo-cons resort to firing people until they get a "yes" on anything.

They failed to unseat Maduro, which could be seen as a decline in American soft power.
 
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This randomly pooped up in my Youtube feed when I had some What Culture Star Trek shit on in the background at work. I'm not familiar with this channel, and I can't speak to how accurate it is, maybe his whole shtick is he's inaccurate or something, but I thought it was pretty funny:
 
Never Scored said:
This randomly pooped up in my Youtube feed when I had some What Culture Star Trek shit on in the background at work. I'm not familiar with this channel, and I can't speak to how accurate it is, maybe his whole shtick is he's inaccurate or something, but I thought it was pretty funny:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=E3qoE91lfHI
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This dude is a cow. Take everything with a grain of salt. Before Rise of Skywalker he was "reporting" on behind the scenes shit that never happened or even was possible to happen.

His sources are bullshit. He might be the Quarterpoundering in a mask. Maximum cope.

Literally will say "my sources tell me that their source". I can't stress this enough. 99% of his shit is projection. He gets 1% right but its luck not his sources being right.
 
Exceptionally Exceptional said:
Am I the only one who didn't see Section 31 as villains and actually kind of agreed with Sloan?
He told Julian "The Federation needs men like you, Doctor - men of conscience, men of principle, men who can sleep at night. You're also the reason Section 31 exists. Someone has to protect men like you from a universe that doesn't share your sense of right and wrong."

I see nothing wrong here. Good people often lack the ruthlessness required to get their hands dirty. And sometimes you need ruthless bastards watching over them, protecting them from other ruthless bastards who don't have the same scruples they do.

Hell, even the morphogenic virus which was portrayed as sooooo horrible was entirely justified given that we witnessed the aftermath of at least one attempted genocide by the Founders using their own bioweapons, and it's absolutely reasonable to assume that this wasn't the first such genocide they'd commited.

We literally only ever see one changeling that isn't a complete fucking asshole, and that was Odo.

Honestly the more I think about it, the more I recognize Sloan as a hero willing to risk his own life to preserve the Federation.
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I honestly really enjoyed Section 31 as a concept when they were introduced in DS9, the problem is they have been run into the ground by being used in every successive show. They also suffer from what i call the 'Cerberus' problem, if any of you are familiar with mass effect you will know what I mean.
 
Cpl. Long Dong Silver said:
This dude is a cow. Take everything with a grain of salt. Before Rise of Skywalker he was "reporting" on behind the scenes shit that never happened or even was possible to happen.

His sources are bullshit. He might be the Quarterpoundering in a mask. Maximum cope.

Literally will say "my sources tell me that their source". I can't stress this enough. 99% of his shit is projection. He gets 1% right but its luck not his sources being right.
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Too bad. I kind of like the gimmick.
 
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