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Nimoy wanted Spock's last line to be "If Doctor McCoy is staying on the Enterprise, then my presence is essential." Gene didn't like it.
 
Judge Holden said:
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BScCollateral said:
Nimoy wanted Spock's last line to be "If Doctor McCoy is staying on the Enterprise, then my presence is essential." Gene didn't like it.
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There's that (not-so) little part of Gene which wants to torment people and remind them who's boss.
RumblyTumbly said:
The Janeway moment that baffled me the most was when she told 7 of 9 that she wouldn't allow her to return to the Borg collective.
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Remember Janeway's line to Tuvok in the pilot:
TUVOK: Captain, any action we take to protect the Ocampa would affect the balance of power in this system. The Prime Directive would seem to apply.
JANEWAY: Would it? We never asked to be involved, Tuvok. But we are. We are.
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This is par for the course on Voyager, to the point where it became a sort of received wisdom. It's a vital part of the show’s fabric: Janeway is a stand-in for the United States, and VOY is projecting our sphere of influence into the far future. The Delta Quadrant is an extension of the Federation, claimed by Voyager and tamed by Janeway.

At the time this aired, the climate was mostly stable and the U.S. was involving itself in Haiti and Bosnia. Clinton evicted the Haitian President because he wanted to pay his people a living wage. The global community tolerated the shit out of Milosevic, even calling him a "guarantor of peace", before bombing his house in '99.
 
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JamesFargo said:
SFDebris did a good bit involving "Mirror Janeway". In this universe, Archer's in charge, and Janeway has somehow swapped places with her Prime counterpart: a hippie who is quick to offer diplomatic solutions.
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(link in case the below doesn't work: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQCcx1ROxJY)

The comics did a mirror voyager issue too. Was fun. Neelix & Kes were in their own ship stalking Voyager to pick up the pieces after Janeway had swept through an area, constantly taunting them.

Glad it was only a single issue and not a joke they ran into the ground.
 
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But Janeway's reasoning was essentially "You're an individual now! You'll take your individuality and fucking like it! Do what I say!". The whole exchanged made Janeway look like an overly controlling psycho and undermined any good argument she has for individuality outside of The Borg.
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Iicr, Seven did tell her that she was being hypocritical about it. Didn't work.
 
Tasty Tatty said:
Iicr, Seven did tell her that she was being hypocritical about it. Didn't work.
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The narrative that the writers were 'creatively tired' is a lie. Even Berman had some interesting ideas, but they were shot down. Ron Moore left quickly.

As for why DS9 didn’t face the same struggles, Fuller pointed out (in a podcast) that DS9’s showrunner, Ira Behr, “didn’t give a fuck what Rick Berman said.”
 
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JamesFargo said:
There's that (not-so) little part of Gene which wants to torment people and remind them who's boss.
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Gene was a trailblazer in many ways, not the least of which was being "enlightened" (60's version of woke) publicly and a rotten lout privately. He apparently treated Terri Garr so terribly on the set in her episode (sexism/sexual harassment), which was meant to be a soft pilot for another Roddenberry series, that she refused to ever have anything to do with Trek again. I don't think she was alone, either. She was just one of the ones who had the guts to say "fuck that shit".
 
From what I can see, I think the Star Trek universe (or multiverse) is deliberately different from IRL, rather than just being "soft scifi". Dilithium is needed for matter-antimatter reactions, there's "subspace" that warp drive works with, there's definitely a multiverse, and there's an "Omega Continuum" and "Q Continuum" inbetween universes in the multiverse. And other made up stuff like "omega particles".
 
Ever notice how J.J. is always "barely involved" with his productions, when all is said and done? He cheerfully takes credit and outsources blame.
 
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